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Something the people of this forum seem to have forgotten.

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Trump set the tone for this a long time ago, Bill.
He has spread hate for over four years now.
You reap what you sow.


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That's not my point Dave. All those new threats gloating, Martin still talking about Dumbocrats, Mike's bitterness. It's not Trump who set the tone of this board, it's the people who participate.

Just my observation Dave, as you know I have no dog in this fight.

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I know, Bill.
I am only back for awhile. Nothing has changed with Martin and MikeP..
I enjoy hanging with Mike at games and G&Ms as long as we don't talk politics.
I have no interest in ever meeting Martin.
I hope some day to spend time with you and Will.
Maybe even in Holland.


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Originally Posted by Bill
That's not my point Dave. All those new threats gloating, Martin still talking about Dumbocrats, Mike's bitterness. It's not Trump who set the tone of this board, it's the people who participate.

Just my observation Dave, as you know I have no dog in this fight.



Bill I do appreciate you posting this.....When I use the term dumbocrats I'm not referring to those who post here, just the elected officials....I do agree with the thread title too......I would actually like to meet DB, I think he would be surprised and enjoy meeting me...

I'm upset about this election not because of wins or losses but because I firmly believe that Trump was robbed and this election was stolen....I don't care if these guys here gloat about it or not,it doesn't bother me at all.I 'm not mad at them because I know they are not responsible for the fraud...



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HATE????????????????

All the rioting?All the violence directed against people and their businesses and against Trump supporters and the left complains about hate?

DB, I'll always enjoy hanging with you and Basebawl.In fact, I'd go to a game w/anybody, past or present on this board regardless of political worldviews which are galaxies apart.Politics is only a part of our beings after all. I hope we can get together a few times this summer and catch games.Bill...you too.It's been years, I guess.


I just learned that my father, a hardcore Republican, is now voting Democrat. He never would have done that when he was alive.
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We can burn down Harrisburg's stadium. Make it a fan night. Horrible design.


Among other things, Democratic governors would also stand in the way in states like Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.

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I believe that the major cause of division in this country now is the fake news media that don't report the facts. If we all had the real news and facts, there would be fewer disagreements. Hopefully someone conservative will buy CNN and turn it back into a news channel..



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Originally Posted by BaseBawl
We can burn down Harrisburg's stadium. Make it a fan night. Horrible design.


DB and I were there a few years ago ( I believe it was Harrisburg).Didn't have any feelings about it either way. It's in a built-up area, so I imagine they didn't have a lot of leeway in the dimensions and other design factors.


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It's on an an island with a trillion mayflies. You trek forever, then climb monster stairs. Once you get a ticket, you're in deepest darkest equitorial left field. The best food stand is the hell behind the 1st base dugout, and back down the stairs. The stands are in chunks like a redneck barn complex. And they charge to park.


Among other things, Democratic governors would also stand in the way in states like Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.

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We went to a game in Lancaster, MikeP.
I have only ever driven by the Harrisburg stadium.
You cite the violence and rioting as proof of hate but seem to overlook the rightwing domestic terrorists who do more than burn buildings. The El Paso shooter killed 22 Hispanic people. The Las Vegas shooter killed 58 people. Dylan Roof killed 11 people.
The FBI has documented more killings by rightwing domestic terrorists in the last 20 years than by left wingers.
A lot of the riots were instigated by members of the Proud Boys and Boogaloo folks.


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I hope we can get together a few times this summer and catch games.Bill...you too.It's been years, I guess.


Don't think so Mike, don't think I will ever visit the US again. Not that I don't like it anymore but I have seen it all. In those 15+ years, I have been from East to West, from North to south and everything in between. I also don't like long flights anymore. One exception, if the Orioles make it to the WS I could be persuaded. cool Always enjoyed out get together with all of you and of course with Steffie dearly missed.


Martin just call it the Democrats, with a capital, it's much more mature. People who vote for the Democratic party aren't dumb, they just see it in a different way than you.

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I regret that I never met you Bill.
You, and your son, have presented an alternate perspective on what used to be an American game that I appreciated.
And you, personally, have a tone and gentility to your posts that I value.
I appreciate what I take as a call for civility.
Given the huge chasm of political differences here, your call is heard, but difficult.
I will not characterize in detail our differences in the USA, but as a student of history, I am very afraid.
I have never called mikezp or martin a racist, although one martin post, about "clearing out" interlopers in GA did make me state that it was in the best tradition of the KKK.

You have not seen "all" of the US. Certainly not all of its natural wonders. I would love to visit the Southwest with a person coming here with fresh eyes.Or the South or Northwest.
My wife makes fun of me as she says I should find a date to travel with as she is less inclined. Given 50 years of putting up with me, she's entitled.
Why we are superior to the Hindu Kush or South Africa (which I toured with my daughter) to visit is certainly open to question.
And having lived in Europe for four years, I know that I came nowhere close to seeing even a smidgeon of the history or physical beauty there.
But you are welcome here.
And if I ever get back to Europe, I will certainly hold you to your invitation to your favorite pub.



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It's not questionable on Martin's racism, he's proud of it.


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I invited many members of BPG to visit us in California and only Bill and Will have ever done so, Gary.
They are great guys.


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Originally Posted by John Lease
It's not questionable on Martin's racism, he's proud of it.


Still hung up on that????? Biden is white.... trump is white......Trump was robbed somehow equals racism in your mind.....



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What he did against the Central Park 5 proved his racism.
As did the housing discrimination case brought against Trump and his father.
And the White Supremacists who have or are serving in his administration.
Or his admiration of Hitler


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What about his "black guy"? Doesn't that make up for it?


Among other things, Democratic governors would also stand in the way in states like Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.

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Originally Posted by DB 5
I invited many members of BPG to visit us in California and only Bill and Will have ever done so, Gary.
They are great guys.

I will get there DB


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Originally Posted by pogo
I regret that I never met you Bill.
You, and your son, have presented an alternate perspective on what used to be an American game that I appreciated.
And you, personally, have a tone and gentility to your posts that I value.
I appreciate what I take as a call for civility.
Given the huge chasm of political differences here, your call is heard, but difficult.
I will not characterize in detail our differences in the USA, but as a student of history, I am very afraid.
I have never called mikezp or martin a racist, although one martin post, about "clearing out" interlopers in GA did make me state that it was in the best tradition of the KKK.

You have not seen "all" of the US. Certainly not all of its natural wonders. I would love to visit the Southwest with a person coming here with fresh eyes.Or the South or Northwest.
My wife makes fun of me as she says I should find a date to travel with as she is less inclined. Given 50 years of putting up with me, she's entitled.
Why we are superior to the Hindu Kush or South Africa (which I toured with my daughter) to visit is certainly open to question.
And having lived in Europe for four years, I know that I came nowhere close to seeing even a smidgeon of the history or physical beauty there.
But you are welcome here.
And if I ever get back to Europe, I will certainly hold you to your invitation to your favorite pub.



Thanks for your kind words and for sure we will have a pint (or 2 cool) in O'Casey's The Hague when you visit the Netherlands.

That was fun David! Too bad you could not play in your softball game, would have loved to see you play first (I think) base.

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Bill do you recall Gore dragging things out in 2001 and Hillary insisting she won? Do you recall anybody telling THEM to accept the will of the people and not to question our democracy and make Americans lose faith in it?

Do you know what leftists are calling those of us who support Trump.This lose with dignity bullshit is strictly one way.

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I just learned that my father, a hardcore Republican, is now voting Democrat. He never would have done that when he was alive.
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Hillary conceded the next day. Obama met with Trump that same week. What alternative reality is this?


Among other things, Democratic governors would also stand in the way in states like Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.

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Because in 2000 the vote difference was 538 votes, MikeP.
Not 230000. Big difference. And I remember Republicans trying to stop the vote count in Florida by legal and illegal means.


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Originally Posted by DB 5
Because in 2000 the vote difference was 538 votes, MikeP.
Not 230000. Big difference. And I remember Republicans trying to stop the vote count in Florida by legal and illegal means.

They had the Supreme Court illegally stop the count.

MikeZ forgot?


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Originally Posted by mikezpen
Bill do you recall Gore dragging things out in 2001 and Hillary insisting she won? Do you recall anybody telling THEM to accept the will of the people and not to question our democracy and make Americans lose faith in it?

Do you know what leftists are calling those of us who support Trump.This lose with dignity bullshit is strictly one way.


Mike my friend, two wrongs don't make a right. What has all the haters from both sides have brought the US, more hate a hopelessly divided country. It is time to leave it behind, accept that the US voted Biden as your new President and start working together to improve the US. Just my 2 cents.

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Bill, the left never accepted Trump's legitimacy,and spent 4 years trying to un-seat him. So now we must work together? Look at the two platforms-the two worldviews-; how do they compromise?Can you see Martin and I sitting down w/Webley Webley Webster, Lee, Eng. Tom, et. al. and agreeing on a way to handle things? Citizenship for millions of illegals, statehood for PR and DC? I don't think so.

The right w/never accept Biden. I'll never accept the bastard because he didn't win.I hope that they turn his inauguration into a Trump rally.

DB, my article was about Clinton and Carter claiming Trump didn't win. And that's what they claimed.


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Trump got his ass kicked.
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Who cares if you Righties don't accept Biden, MikeP.
Reagan got it about amnesty. One of the few things he ever did get right.
Gore got ripped off. Cheating paid off for the Republicans. As it did in Ohio in the 2004 election.
The only proof of someone trying to get a dead person to vote was a Luzerne County Republican who got caught.
But now you are claiming fraud in an election where Biden beat Trump by a lot more than he beat Hillary.
Republicans are against raising the minimum wage, getting universal health care and taking private insurance out of the equation so they can't gouge us any more.
I am tired of a bloated Defense budget and corporate welfare. Of an idiot in charge of education. Of Department Heads who are diametrically opposed to their Department's mission statement.
I am tired of a President who catered to the minority of Americans who liked him not the majority of Americans who didn't like him.
And who enriched himself at every opportunity.
Those days are over.


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To be specific.
I never accepted his "legitamacy". But I did his election. The fear mongering, calumny against his opponents, racism from day one of his campaign (murderers, rapists, etc.), lies, destruction of our international alliances and of our economy both here and abroad did not make for acceptance.
But trying to "un-seat" him? No. Politics as usual includes opposing his policies. For every insult by Trump, there were three offers from Dems. to work for the common good.
The only attempt to "un-seat" was to impeach him for using his position internationally to create dirt on his opponent. And that was Constitutional.
But the whole point, from Clinton's concession speech is that although he got millions fewer votes, he got more electoral votes, winning the Presidency. And people behaved like he had.

There has been no evidence whatsoever, only wild conspiracy theories, that Biden did anything different - other than winning millions of more votes than Trump.
And many more electoral votes.
So hate his politics before he has had a chance to express them. But he is your frickin President, legitimately so. Get over it.

You probably did not notice my post on China. It's about three pages back by now. Unlike the amazing ability of partisans to accept every act of Trump's, I do not automatically credit Biden. He campaigned on China (although much more on Covid) as a Trump failure.
If he fails as dramatically as has Dumnp, shaft him. I pick that one as diplomacy is within the immediate scope of the Presidency. Republicans will be able to block most os the rest of his platform due to the malign control of McConnell.
Oppose and attack for whatever reasons. It's the American way. But accept that we are a democracy.


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The amount of mail in ballots have led to the voter fraud. When you have 90000 mail in votes that only has Biden marked and no other race, and that led to Biden getting 98% of the votes out of thousands of votes at a time.... and the counties here were supposed to count the votes before election day..... then they stopped counting on election night and sent the poll watchers home but 4 people stayed and kept "counting" opening ballots with no one else there.... then on the third day biden passes Trump in the vote total.......

They could just go back and check the signatures and match them, but they won't do that because the signatures are separated from the ballots and they said even if they could disqualify the signature they don't know how that person voted.....

Biden/Harris will NEVER be accepted, 30% of dems realize Biden only won because of voter fraud.....Biden/Harris is screwed no matter what...



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Like Bush wasn't in 2000. Kerry wasn't in 2004.
Who cares if you whiny Trump supporters don't accept Biden.
Trump never got a positive approval rating his whole term.
He was the President for about 43% of Americans for 4 years
He lost the popular vote two times. That has to be a record
If Katie Johnson resumes her case against Trump he will lose a lot of his followers. Even Trump supporters won't condone a child rapist.


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Originally Posted by DB 5
Like Bush wasn't in 2000. Kerry wasn't in 2004.
Who cares if you whiny Trump supporters don't accept Biden.
Trump never got a positive approval rating his whole term.
He was the President for about 43% of Americans for 4 years
He lost the popular vote two times. That has to be a record
If Katie Johnson resumes her case against Trump he will lose a lot of his followers. Even Trump supporters won't condone a child rapist.

Yeah they will. Roy Moore lost by wn eyelash.


Among other things, Democratic governors would also stand in the way in states like Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.

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Whoever the hell Katie Johnson is..... We breathlessly await.

You all talk of race. What about constant attacks on (supposed)"white privilege" and on "whiteness" in general. Or Trump supporters are racist/white supremicists...etc.No negativity there, right? I mean, painting whites as the cause of everybody's problems isn't bringing anybody together, is it? It DOES push hate though.

All the Dems. talk about is promoting racial and ethnic division-and bashing whites. Spare me the complaints about "hate".

They want to arbitrarily raise the min. wage to $15.00.That's the moron's only way of "creating good jobs for working people". No way he'll ever create any real jobs at all.Trouble is, it will kill jobs, particularly w/small businesses.

We are not a true democracy Pogo/never have been, thank god, we're a republic, which is part of the reason there's an electoral college.Those guys were wise in the ultimate.

Agree on corporate welfare...you know...like importing masses of compliant foreign workers who work for less and demand less than Americans. That's corporate welfare, too, isn't it?.Meanwhile millions are unemployed. However, I never liked Republican tax cuts w/no strings attached, either. Make them at least partially contingent on expanding businesses and jobs.

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So hate his politics before he has had a chance to express them. But he is your frickin President,

We all know what his politics are. He's an aging hapless flunky that w/b shoved aside by the far left the day after the inauguration.And he's NOT our president.A lot of people will refuse to follow the agenda the left imposes on society, starting w/ COVID shut-downs and then gun restrictions.However, unlike your people in 2016-17, we won't burn places down and loot stores because we're angry.

Betraying alliances? You mean "alliances" that won't even fund their own defense the way they promised to do? And mean old Trump called them on it.How terrible. Or aggravating them by ignoring worthless agreements like the missile treaty the Russians violated years ago, the Paris accord which gives China a pass until sometime around 3535.


I just learned that my father, a hardcore Republican, is now voting Democrat. He never would have done that when he was alive.
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I agree with evetything Mike just posted, he knows how to word it and explain it better than i can......I posted a thread here about the coming civil wars.... I believe we will see an economic war with conservatives not supporting these Woke radical companies.... I believe Biden is going to have a real tough time.....I fear that many white conservatives will stop helping the needy black families too....

Oh and the dumbocrat party is about to have a civil war too, apparently biden's campaign staff is already upset that biden is naming a bunch of lowlife obama left overs to positions that they feel that they've earned during the campaign..



Re: Win with Grace and Lose with Dignity [Re: BaseBawl] #611209
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Originally Posted by DB 5
Like Bush wasn't in 2000. Kerry wasn't in 2004.
Who cares if you whiny Trump supporters don't accept Biden.
Trump never got a positive approval rating his whole term.
He was the President for about 43% of Americans for 4 years
He lost the popular vote two times. That has to be a record
If Katie Johnson resumes her case against Trump he will lose a lot of his followers. Even Trump supporters won't condone a child rapist.

Yeah they will. Roy Moore lost by wn eyelash.


That's true, but Roy married her. So statutory rape, but he made her his wife. The only unforgivable crime for Republicans is admitting reality.


Winner, winner, chicken dinner!
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Reading the post's I see Biden has a lot to do. smile

Mike, of course, Democrats and Republicans will never fully come together, too many differences but one can work together on important issues as the climate, economics, the middle east etc etc. Your polarization is horrible these days, some have to make the first step in making coalitions. Trying to get the US out of the current swamp you guys are in. Trump proved he was not much of a bridge builder, let's hope Biden is.

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Hillary's Vast Right-Wing Cons...
Speaking of the Middle East....


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