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The MASN Case: MASN Cup sweep #609893
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Angelos lost another appeal this week in the MASN case. He plans to appeal again despite having no chance of winning, sure would be nice for the appeals court to refuse to hear his case.

https://www.baltimoresun.com/sports...22-jolni75h7fcijcayja6jgdykdy-story.html

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The timeline is that the next court up the line will decide early next year whether to hear the case, then if so it will take them another year to make a decision. Then Angelos can appeal to the US Supreme Court. In addition, after the MASN lawsuit is over the Os can sue since they are a separate entity. Ideally the appellate court declines to hear the case and it comes to a rapid end.

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The vultures are circling the Angelos carcass, see the new article in the Balt Sun. MLB will have to approve any ownership changes, even to family members, and there is no chance that the league allows the Angelos family to hang on after they sued another club.

Any new owner is going to want to also purchase the Os stake in MASN but will MLB allow this debacle to continue or will they force a deal where the Lerners are able to buy out their TV rights? (For Nats fans hoping for a big payday, a sale of the Nats TV rights from MASN to the Lerners will likely cost more than the original $450 million that they paid for the team.) Probably the best case is a new owner for the Os who works out a better relationship with the Nats, both teams have full equity in their own broadcast rights, but the cost of getting out from under MASN is that the Nats allow the Os to continue to broadcast in the DC area.

https://www.baltimoresun.com/sports...30-bvwjihfcprbddpejeqb4e6k3e4-story.html

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Can we broadcast in Baltimore? Otherwise, they shouldn't be allowed to broadcast in DC.


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Currently the Nats do broadcast in Baltimore. I'd imagine the ratings are non-existent.

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BTW, MLB just approved a switch of the Baltimroe club's control person form Peter Angelos to his son John.


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The Nats games appear in Baltimore. A business decision, not a fan decision.


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Baltimore's such a tiny market, and there are so few O's fans in DC and NoVA, they should just move the Baltimore team to a big league market.


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Welcome back, sir. Nice to see you.

Originally Posted by NeedaNewNick
Baltimore's such a tiny market, and there are so few O's fans in DC and NoVA, they should just move the Baltimore team to a big league market.


Lived in Inner Harbor for 3 years. Puerto Rico is a dump, but I'd take San Juan any day over Ballmer, especially Old San Juan.

Charlotte NC would be an interesting relo choice, although the demographics there may be an issue for MLB.


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Sure would be nice to have a team in Vegas, they'd be the top road trip attraction in MLB. But I doubt that the Os will move because Maryland will give them free ballpark upgrades and tax breaks to keep them in Baltimore.

Meanwhile the lawsuit will go on until Angelos drops dead and MLB requires a resolution as a term for any ownership transfer.

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State of MD can't turn a minor league market into a major league one. Best thing for baseball would be move them. Nashville's got an ownership group ready to go.


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Welcome back, sir. Nice to see you.




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Originally Posted by NeedaNewNick
State of MD can't turn a minor league market into a major league one. Best thing for baseball would be move them. Nashville's got an ownership group ready to go.


Nashville metro area is #36 in the country -- I get that they have NFL & NHL teams, but a market that small will be a tough sell to MLB since they're focused on maximizing broadcast revenue, and with much bigger markets like Charlotte open. But hey if it means the further staining of Baltimore I'm all for the O's moving to Charlotte or anywhere else.

Living in Baltimore in the 80s the locals were so condescending to baseball in DC, it was laughable: "Oh you've lost 2 baseball teams, you dont need another one". They could never get their tiny little brains around the fact that they lost an NBA team, an NFL team, and ALMOST lost the O's in the '80s when EB Williams owned them. Washingtonians got tired of supporting the Senators after suffering from DECADES of mostly last place baseball, and being out of the playoffs most seasons by JUNE! Not to mention dealing with a ballpark in one of the worst neighborhoods in DC in the pre-subway/crappy public transportation period.




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I wish they'd just pay the Nats their money already.


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Big MASN news last night. They fired all of the Orioles pre-game and post-game hosts and announced that those shows have been cancelled. That means that Kolko and everyone else except for Bob and FP are probably gone as well. The plan is to use the in game announcers for 15 minute segments before and after each game. All of the weekly shows have also been cancelled.

MASN fired Jim Hunter, Mike Bordick, Dave Johnson, Tom Davis, Rick Dempsey and Gary Thorne. By contract MASN needs to have the exact same budget and treatment for both the Os and Nats, so I'm wondering if they had the budget for that line-up for the Os why Nats fans just had Bo Porter and Dan Kolko. Must be the Lerners were pocketing the extra cash.

Lots of speculation about what this means and whether it was done to screw the Nats. I can see where it makes sense for Angelos, he owns about 80% and those shows were probably not bringing in much profit. He can produce the same shows for the Os under the Orioles team budget and not have to pay the cost for the Nats. This leaves the Lerners having to make a decision on whether to not have any daily or weekly shows or to have to have the team fund them. Britt Ghiroli had the scoop and called this unprecedented, but I'm pretty sure that the Redskins funded the Larry Michael show that used to air on NBCSports along with some of the weekly shows. They are basically ads for the team so it makes sense that they'd by paid for by the teams.

Other speculation is whether the bubble has popped on the regional sports networks as has been predicted for many years. Lots of cord cutting going on and a lot of that is driven by non-sports fans who don't want to pay the fees that cable is charging.

One thing is for sure, MASN put the Nats in a bind by announcing this with a month before spring training. If the team wants to keep these shows going they are going to need to hire their own crew and rent out their own studio equipment. The end of MASN was always going to lead to a short term disruption, maybe this is it.

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Is he really losign money, or is this a ploy to keep from ever having to pay the Nationals the $100 million he owes them? Angelos is corrupt.


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Originally Posted by TBP
Is he really losign money, or is this a ploy to keep from ever having to pay the Nationals the $100 million he owes them? Angelos is corrupt.


Angelos is still making plenty of money, at this point it doesn't seem like he cares about the money at this point than winning his war against the Nats. He's turned into Ahab, he'll sink his own ship and sacrifice his crew to kill the whale.

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Any word on Alex Chappell's status?


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Still hot.

Oh, you mean her employment status. No indication from MASN or the Nats. She is in game talent, like Bob and FP, so maybe she's safe. I suspect that she's not paid nearly as much as Porter or Kolko, which might work in her favor.

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Originally Posted by PowerBoater69
Still hot.

Oh, you mean her employment status. No indication from MASN or the Nats. She is in game talent, like Bob and FP, so maybe she's safe. I suspect that she's not paid nearly as much as Porter or Kolko, which might work in her favor.


Yeah, very hot. And very married, unfortunately.


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Originally Posted by TBP
Any word on Alex Chappell's status?


She just announced that she is gone. No word from any other MASN Nationals employees.

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From the Nationals:

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MASN has notified us that they are parting ways with Dan Kolko, Bo Porter and Alex Chappell. In addition, MASN has cut Nats Xtra to just 15 minutes pre- and post-game. To say that we are incredibly disappointed and upset by MASN’s decisions would be a gross understatement. To be clear - these decisions were made by MASN and against our wishes. As we have expressed to both MASN and Major League Baseball, we are very concerned about the negative impact these decisions could have on our fans especially now when content shared via broadcast and digital channels is vital for them to stay connected with our team. We want to thank Dan, Bo and Alex for their professionalism and for being good stewards of our team’s story over the years. They are part of the Washington Nationals family and we wish them all the best.

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Julie Alexandria, who used to be the Nats dugout reporter for MASN, made some comments on Twitter that run counter to the reaction from the team and most of the fans. Basically she said that it is common in MLB for the teams to pay for their own pre-game and post-game shows, that the networks don't profit from them but the teams do, that the Nats were given the option of taking them over and declined.

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To my knowledge of the situation, the team was given the choice: Pay for the talent/show/production expense to air on MASN, or don't pay, and have no show. MASN will no longer be incurring costs for the shoulder programming or pre/post/in game content. They chose not to do so.

Everyone is mad at sports networks for their decision making but don’t realize the actual inner workings of tv sports rights deals and fees/ revenue. The team has everything to gain from these shoulder content shows (pre/post game, magazine shows etc)

It would be broadcast on MASN, just paid for by the team .. not by .. MASN. Thats how a LOT of Teams/RSN's work.

Correct, [the Nats] do not own MASN, at least not to my understanding - but it is their decision to pay or in this case, not to pay for the production/talent. That's my point I'm trying to illustrate here.

Ok, I’ll just leave this right here: if a team wants to have talent, they can pay for it. On the field, in the booth, on a mic, and in their office. It isn’t the job of the network. The team benefits most from programming around it. If they want it, they can budget for it.

The network doesn’t really profit from these shows- that’s just it- so while ppl are super upset - which I get - I mean, I understand the frustration- but it all comes down to business and money.



Julie makes another point about MASN dropping these show while at the same time not paying the Nats rights fees. I agree about the two decisions being separate but she is wrong about it being just business, the MASN mess has become very personal between Angelos and the Lerners.
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Well, one thing is totally independent of another - if you are buying say, candy from me, and I owe you money from a previous deal, it doesn’t change the price of the candy bar. I get that people are upset - but as the movie says “it’s not personal, Michael, it’s business.”


This really sucks for Byron, Alex, Dan, and Bo. I know that most Nats fans hope they get picked up locally to continue their coverage of the Nats, but in the meantime they are probably looking at other options from all over. It's a tough business to be in.

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Since Julie has a "it's business folks" attitude about this, maybe she can explain this comment:

if a team wants to have talent, they can pay for it. On the field, in the booth, on a mic, and in their office. It isn’t the job of the network. The team benefits most from programming around it. If they want it, they can budget for it.

Funding shoulder shows in local sports programming aint cheap. She's basically saying that AFTER the Nats have committed to about $200mm in payroll, the club should have known that despite about 15 years of precedent-setting by MASN to fund the shoulder shows, the Lerners shouldve had crystal balls on their desks and, tsk tsk, planned for this to happen NOW --?!

She's never been on the ad revenue side. A club who SUDDENLY has to PRODUCE a local sports show, hire (or re-hire) a Sales Dept, AND have 60 days prior to Opening Day to sell a season's worth of advertising & promotional inventory ?!?!?! Give me an effin break.

I'm not a lawyer but this seems obvious: The Orioles know that if the Lerners want to dissolve the current MASN deal, the Lerners would have to sue MLB. Which the Lerners obviously dont want to do. The Orioles know this, and are using this leverage to their own gain.



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Great point, while it could be argued that it was within MASN's rights to stop funding the pre and post game shows, cancelling them right before the season starts was timed to screw the Nats, the Os had time to prepare. This was not the action of a business partner moving in another direction, this is was designed to damage the other party.

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Zuckerman just announced that he'll be covering spring training from home via Zoom. He didn't say whether this was due to health concerns or MASN budget issues. He wrote that there will be limitations on watching practices and contact with the players, but still, watching the game live is the best way to see how the players are progressing. Nothing like being there even with the restrictions.

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Interesting change of pace with Justin Maxwell doing color for FP. I like Bob and FP but Kolko and FP had a bit too much high energy banter for my taste. Just discuss the game.

Maxwell needs to speak up a little to be heard. I liked when he told stories about his time with the Nats, we need that in the broadcasts. I know that Kolko is used to loud and fast paced but he needs to adjust and not talk over Maxwell so much.

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Justin is a little low-key.


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Re: The MASN case goes on, the Lerners keep winning [Re: PowerBoater69] #617393
02/05/2021 06:17
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Yeah, a lot low key, he had interesting things to say but needed to speak up a little, still better than the over the top banter between Kolko and FP. I missed the game yesterday because I was coaching softball, I saw that Grant Paulsen did the play by play but the reviews weren't great.

Wonder what happened to FP, strange that there's been no mention, did he get cancelled.

Re: The MASN case goes on, the Lerners keep winning [Re: PowerBoater69] #617397
02/05/2021 11:52
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It's like having two play by play guys, lots and lots of trivia and no game experience. They need a baseball guy.

Re: The MASN case goes on, the Lerners keep winning [Re: PowerBoater69] #617449
04/05/2021 07:12
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Lots of speculation about FP. Will he be back tonight? The Post says it's not a health issue. FP, the Nats, and MASN all say no comment. Is it a contract dispute? Did he kick some pencil neck execs ass? Was he caught with a live boy or a dead girl?

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He was back, and still no explanation.

Enjoying seeing Alex.


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Re: The MASN case goes on, the Lerners keep winning [Re: PowerBoater69] #618048
21/05/2021 03:56
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There are people who say the Os aren't a rival but screw that, Angelos blocked DC from getting a team for many years and he still takes our TV revenue, plus I have coworkers who root for the Orioles so I want to win these games even more than the division games.

Strasburg is back tonight, time to show that his contact wasn't a colossal mistake.

Re: The MASN case goes on, the Lerners keep winning [Re: PowerBoater69] #618064
22/05/2021 03:11
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With that win the Nats move to 36 and 45 against the Os, still a worse winning percentage than against any team in the NL East. A sweep would be nice to start reversing those numbers.

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22/05/2021 06:34
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The MASN App now has Fios and Cox cable among other providers. Which is nice.

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22/05/2021 17:33
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The series has been won but it's the season series that matters, need to sweep tomorrow.

Re: The MASN case goes on, the Lerners keep winning [Re: PowerBoater69] #618124
23/05/2021 14:54
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Three game sweep, a MASN Cup win appears to be inevitable. Sure would be nice to go 6-0. God bless Peter Angelos, may he live forever and keep the Os shitty.

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