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Re: The VP debate [Re: martin] #609521
08/10/2020 10:43
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martin's view is contradicted by most observers - and me.
I thought that Harris did better, but that she missed multiple chances to nail Pence.
On Covid. "On multiple occasions the administration has issued political statements on the crisis that purported to come from the CDC and other health agencies.
The countyr's own health experts have been forbidden from putting out warnings. Why?"
"Hundreds of ranking soldiers and diplomats, many apolitical or previously serving Republicans have come out in support of Biden as they say Trump policy has been a disaster. Comment."
"Trump has promised a replacement health care plan, a plan to protect DACA kids, and plans to deal with multiple issues that he has not even drafted. Why believe that he has any plan for anything?"
Trump 's admin has started to admit that there are climate problems, but has loosened dozens of evvironmental restrictions and not tightened anything. Why?
"Trump consistently uses slur words to attack anyone who disagrees with him. And then says he wants to work together. Is he nuts?" (actually that's my question.)
"Mr Veep. You have been asked 6 direct questions here that you have not answered in the slightest (List them) You have no answers.

Harris avoided one question that Pence totally ignored, that either candidate would be the oldest ever to be inaugarated if elected and what does that say about the role of the Veep? Pence could have said that he is there and ready,
but that would have acknowledged the implication of the question, that B & T are old & might die. Probably Harris avoided it for the same reason.

Pence talking over and refusing to stop or answer questions offended almost everyone, even on FOX. So why think he won?

I somewhat agree that Pence was asked more hard questions. But he represents the incumbent and as such has policies to speak to.
That should have been an ADVANTAGE, but it wasn't as they have no policiy except cut taxes on the rich & on companies to boost the economy. Harris did allright on that one.
Oh, and to pack the court. Harris was ready to lay that one on Pence (Quoting Lincoln smile ) Harris was accused of Dem plans to pack the SC. I think that she should just have said no. But Pence didn't answer a single question she asked him, so why should she respond? If she had, Pence would have quoted some obscure Dem who has actually suggested adding to the numbers.

So that's two debates lost by Dump & mini-Dump. And now the Dumper refuses to do another - not even suggesting alternatives to deal with the problems others see. Somone brighter than he must be wanting to stop further disasters.


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Re: The VP debate [Re: martin] #609522
08/10/2020 11:03
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I will not miss them.


Tom Paine once wrote “To argue with a man who has renounced the use … of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead….”
Re: The VP debate [Re: martin] #609525
08/10/2020 13:11
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When she replied about not taking a Trump approved vacccine, she should have mentioned that she also wasn't going to inject Lysol, take that hydrocchloriphine (I know I spelled that wrong), or wait for the sun light to kill the virus.


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Re: The VP debate [Re: martin] #609526
08/10/2020 13:13
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Pogo ,,,,Can't see how anyone could think that Harris won this debate. She is not smart and all informed viewers could easily see that she was lying.Pence didn't even bring up the fact that harris called out Biden for being a raaaacist in the dumbocrat debate. Last night she tried to place the race card but it didn't go over at all.....She couldn't defend her radical record or biden's record.....


Consensus is anyplace without Martin trumps Martin, even with an ignore button.
Re: The VP debate [Re: martin] #609527
08/10/2020 14:13
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Pogo, you don't have to reply to that absurdity.


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Re: The VP debate [Re: BaseBawl] #609531
08/10/2020 16:36
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Originally Posted by BaseBawl
The fly is making him a laughingstock.




Biden can't even draw flies....


Consensus is anyplace without Martin trumps Martin, even with an ignore button.
Re: The VP debate [Re: martin] #609559
10/10/2020 04:25
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Biden up 1.9% in composite polling results since 7 days ago. I can't wait to not watch another debate.


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Re: The VP debate [Re: martin] #609589
10/10/2020 20:59
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She was petulant and unpresidential. The Vice President was on his game. Pence won.


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Re: The VP debate [Re: martin] #609594
11/10/2020 00:23
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Why did her numbers go up, and his down?


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Re: The VP debate [Re: martin] #609601
11/10/2020 08:26
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Best poll that I could find
Poll
Of course it will be dismissed by the usual subjects as it is from 538. But read their process.
Of note to me is not that Harris won, but the jump in her figures.
There was zero change in who the polled would vote for. Not surprising. Trump fell after his debate, but now voters are pretty set, whomever they support.
To me the interesting vote was the "popularity contest. Harris went up among her voters. A reaction that I think is due to her exhibiting competence. People didn't know her. She went down among her non-supporters as she did nothing - perhaps less that nothing - to change their minds.
The other was "Marks for performance." But that doesn't mean a lot. With her & Biden winning, more of her supporters were probably questioned, so of course she got better marks.


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