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Some interesting notes from around MLB:

1) Dusty Baker has been extended through 2021, Nats beat writers are contrasting Baker's status to Martinez who won the World Series and has still not been extended beyond the end of the season. Of course sports is all about what have you done for me lately and as of now Baker's team has three wins and the Nats have one. While being interviewed about the Astros job Baker mentioned that he really liked being in DC and was disappointed to be let go, him and me both, we won a WS but there is no doubt that Baker is the better manager.

2) Anthony Rendon hit a HR in his first AB with the Angels. Meanwhile Strasburg sits out with tingly fingers. Maybe we picked the wrong guy.

3) Big news last night was the Dodgers Joe Kelley hit Alex Bregman with a pitch then threw at Carlos Correa's head, then called Correa a bitch after Kelley struck him out. Benches cleared but no punches were thrown. The Astros better just get it over with and start charging mounds, the beanings won't stop until they start fighting back.

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Who knows what would have happened if Baker stayed. Would he have stayed the course by not panicking at 19-31 like Martinez did, which alot of the players (Zimm being 1) noticed and admired? We'll never know. Personally I wouldve stayed with Baker and not fired him. The Lerners will reup Davey at the right time, they know they will be hammered by the fans if Davey goes elsewhere. The Nats beat writers always need something to write about to get people worked up (Rizzo is on his last year, too, I believe). Martinez is in his 50's and he had heart surgery last year. He talked about how his health/life is in serious jeopardy if he catches Covid. Love the guy. If Davey opted out this season I would 100% understand and support him.

Fans have always been on Stras' case about injuries, but since he moved to pitch strictly from the Stretch, which cuts down on arm/neck/back stress, and started working out like a fiend, the guy's been somewhat healthier. A year ago no one wouldve bet on Stras going 200+ IP in '19, and then doing what he did in the WS was sick. Since great pitching is harder to find than great position players, I believe (hope) they made the right choice (Kieboom is ready for 3b supposedly. No pitcher in the Nats system can ever touch Stras). Rendon supposedly was not crazy about the Dc area, and was not going to take deferred $$ from The Lerners.....speaking of ex-Nats, our boy Bryce after 3 games is hitting .222 with 3 K's out of 9 AB's. He'll never change. Dude is as much sizzle as he is steak. He will never adjust his hitting approach. It's all about Bryce.

Moving into the '21 season, I suspect the Lerners may even be more conservative with payroll due to Covid. Surely the Nats beat writers will cry about that, too.











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Most walk off grand slams in a decade was two, in the 90s and 2010s. Now there are two in the 2020s after just two weeks.

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No hitter for Giolito. Eaton helped us win a World Series but we sure could use a guy like Giolito on our team.

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Win/win for both teams. 3.41 era LY, 3.09 so far TY. Read that he's not a UFA until after the 2023 season. Great deal for ChiSox, hard to find stud pitchers like him


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The Nats need to find some more pitching. What else is new?


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Originally Posted by TBP
The Nats need to find some more pitching. What else is new?


True, but coming into a short season we thought starting pitching was our ticket to a deep playoff run. Very disappointing.

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The new Mets owner is worth $14 billion, ten billion more than the Lerners. For an idea of the potential impact in 2012 the Dodgers were sold to a deep pocket ownership group. The prior two seasons they had the #12 payroll and were not a playoff team. Since then they've been #1 payroll in the league multiple years and never lower than fourth. They have won their division every year since the purchase. If the Mets follow the same path the road back to the World Series just got tougher.

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The stinking Phillies have the tiebreaker with the Brewers and Giants, so if they win and both other teams lose they go to the playoffs, I really really hope that doesn't happen.

Meanwhile the Nats will be drafting somewhere between fifth and eleventh, there are seven teams all bunch up together for draft position. Maybe Martinez should sit Soto today so that he locks in the AVG, OPS, and SLG races for the season and the Nats get the better draft slot.

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Last game of the year, I'm going to miss baseball like rarely before.

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Originally Posted by PowerBoater69
The stinking Phillies have the tiebreaker with the Brewers and Giants, so if they win and both other teams lose they go to the playoffs, I really really hope that doesn't happen.


As of a few min ago all 3 were losing about halfway or so thru their games (update -- Phils down 5-0 to TB in the 8th inning).


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Phillies are done. Toast for yet another season. Enjoy the golf, Bryce.


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Holy fuck, the Nats beat the Mets today to end up tied with them for fourth in the NL East. So now the Mets draft seventh and the Nats eleventh. The worst draft position the Nats could have had entering the day, that's what we have. Great job finishing off the season strong.

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Originally Posted by SilverFox1
Phillies are done. Toast for yet another season. Enjoy the golf, Bryce.


Thank you, they didn't only lose, they lost ugly. Bryce Harper ends the season with decent stats, but hardly worth the amount Philly is paying him. Over rated and over paid.

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Twins swept, have now lost 18 consecutive playoff games. Brutal beyond words. And Donaldson misses the playoffs and a zillion other games this season. Careful Josh, the honeymoon is now over.


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Originally Posted by SilverFox1
Twins swept, have now lost 18 consecutive playoff games. Brutal beyond words. And Donaldson misses the playoffs and a zillion other games this season. Careful Josh, the honeymoon is now over.



Brutal is right. I can imagine that the local media asks them about the streak non stop and it becomes self fulfilling.

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Go Dusty B. I know a lot of people hate the Astros but I grew up assuming that pitchers were throwing spitters and batters were corking bats, cheating is part of the game. I'd like to see Baker get a ring.

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And I hope they go to hell, frankly, even if Dusty's there. If someone convinced me that 90% of all teams cheat, I'd still wanna shove my foot up their Astro asses.


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Poor Kershaw. He's cast as some kind of super badass in the tire commercials running on tv in the playoffs. As viewers roll their eyes and laugh.


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Go Dusty! One more game for the big come back. I haven't watched much postseason baseball but I'll tune in tonight.

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Tampa Bay is going to be the team the country roots for. Small market club taking on Goliath. And since they make the network suits cringe I like em even more.


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Rob Manfred on rules changes for 2021 and the state of the game

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ARLINGTON, Texas -- Ahead of a World Series capping the pandemic-shortened season, Major League Baseball commissioner Rob Manfred said he hopes to keep two of this year's innovations: expanded playoffs and starting extra innings with runners on second base.

"People were wildly unenthusiastic about the changes. And then when they saw them in action, they were much more positive,'' Manfred said Tuesday during an interview with The Associated Press.

Manfred said the 30 teams combined for $3 billion in operating losses because of the coronavirus pandemic, which caused all 898 regular-season games to be played in empty ballparks without fans. After Opening Day was delayed from March 26 to July 23, MLB and the players' association agreed to expand the number of teams in the playoffs from 10 to 16.

Even before the pandemic, Manfred advocated a future expansion of the playoffs to 14 teams.

"I like the idea of, and I'm choosing my words carefully here, an expanded playoff format,'' Manfred said. "I don't think we would do 16 like we did this year. I think we do have to be cognizant of making sure that we preserve the importance of our regular season. But I think something beyond the 10 that we were at would be a good change.''

With the added runner rule, the longest of 68 games of 10 innings or longer were a pair of 13-inning contests, according to the Elias Sports Bureau.

"I think the players like it,'' Manfred said. "I think it's really good from a safety and health perspective that keeps us from putting players in situations where they're out there too long or in positions they're not used to playing.''

Union head Tony Clark said it was too soon to commit to changes for 2021. The sport's labor contract runs through 2021, and the union's agreement is needed to alter the 2021 structure.

"We made a number of one-year changes this season under unique circumstances,'' Clark wrote in an email to the AP. "We are gathering feedback from players and we'll bring that to the league at the appropriate time. Obviously, protecting health and safety will remain among several important considerations as those talks unfold.''

Manfred is concerned about whether fans will be allowed to attend games next season.

"We understand what happens with fans is going to be a product of what happens with the virus, what decisions public health authorities make in terms of mass gatherings,'' he said. "It is a huge issue for us in terms of the economics of the game. The losses that I referred to earlier were basically in stone when we started the season because we knew about 40% of our revenue is gate-related and we knew we weren't going to have it.

"The clubs have done a really good job locally and we tried to do a good job centrally. The liquidity is sufficient to get us through 2020. I think if we're faced with limited activity next year and the kind of losses that we suffered this year, again, it will become more of a problem.''

Manfred was pleased with the rule he pushed for forcing pitchers to face a minimum of three batters or to finish the half inning.

"There's nothing about what happened this year that has changed, not only in my mind, but anybody in the game's mind about it, and I think that's here to stay,'' he said.

He would not say whether he favors keeping the expansion of the designated hitter to the National League, citing the need to bargain on the topic with the players' union. The expansion of active rosters from 26 to 28 players was specific to the stop of spring training in March and resumption in the summer.

Manfred also did not draw conclusions about the average time of a nine-inning game, which increased to a record 3 hours, 7 minutes, 46 seconds, up from 3:05:35 last year. The cause likely was tied to expanded rosters and increased pitching changes. He also thought it was difficult to analyze whether the drop in the major league batting average to .245, its lowest since 1968, was cyclical or an anomaly.

"What people are telling me about kind of every measure for this year in terms of statistics is that 60 [games] is just not a great sample size and you shouldn't really put too much weight on it,'' he said.

Management and the union battled publicly through the spring, with players demanding prorated pay for the shortened season that had been agreed to in March as part of a deal that included salary advances, They dared Manfred to unilaterally issue the regular-season schedule, which he did, then bargained and reached agreements on expanded playoffs and a bubble for the last three rounds of the postseason.

"We got a lot of important things done this year with the union,'' Manfred said. "We had the problems early, Tony was active not only in helping to strengthen protocols, but in encouraging players to adhere to the protocols. And the negotiation over the bubble was not an easy thing. It involved further changes for players, dislocations for players.''

While 45 regular-season games were postponed for COVID-19-related reasons, many involving the Miami Marlins and St. Louis Cardinals, just two were not made up. Teams refused the union's requests to play a long regular season that would go deeper into the autumn.

"We did not want to extend the season beyond Oct. 27," Manfred said. "Just think about it, put it in some perspective, if we were still playing in the regular season, just 15 games a day in different cities, given where the virus is right now, it would be a really, really difficult situation, and then still having to get through the playoffs in November. Given what everybody's saying about the virus, the trends we're seeing, it was crucial that we stick to that Oct. 27.''

He also said the lack of doubleheaders in the original schedule turned out to be key.


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Manfred said the 30 teams combined for $3 billion in operating losses because of the coronavirus pandemic, which caused all 898 regular-season games to be played in empty ballparks without fans..."It is a huge issue for us in terms of the economics of the game. The losses that I referred to earlier were basically in stone when we started the season because we knew about 40% of our revenue is gate-related and we knew we weren't going to have it.


Doing the math, that's an average loss of $100 million per team -- obviously the major market teams are going to suffer bigger losses. Sure, the numbers may be cooked, but the reality is undeniable: owners took massive losses this past season with no fan attendance.
May see alot of guys signing 1 year deals in hopes that 2022 will return to normal.


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Manfred said the 30 teams combined for $3 billion in operating losses because of the coronavirus pandemic, which caused all 898 regular-season games to be played in empty ballparks without fans..."It is a huge issue for us in terms of the economics of the game. The losses that I referred to earlier were basically in stone when we started the season because we knew about 40% of our revenue is gate-related and we knew we weren't going to have it.


Doing the math, that's an average loss of $100 million per team -- obviously the major market teams are going to suffer bigger losses. Sure, the numbers may be cooked, but the reality is undeniable: owners took massive losses this past season with no fan attendance.
May see alot of guys signing 1 year deals in hopes that 2022 will return to normal.



I'm still wondering what the math means. If I own a team worth a couple billion and I expected to profit $300 million this season but only made $200, did I lose $100? Or are they saying that my team is now worth only $1.9 million, because I had to pull money out of the bank to cover expenses?

I like the idea of keeping most of the new rules. The extra innings rule is great, typically I'd turn the game off after the ninth or tenth because I can't stay up indefinitely waiting to see when it would end. But with the runner on second rule I know that the game is likely to be over soon. I like the expanded playoffs too, with the three game play in instead of one game wild card. The reliever rule to require them to face three batters is also a good one. Just no DH in the National League.

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I think it means that contracts won't be as long -- such as Harper's 13 years or Cole's 9 -- and not quite as big. I think it's mostly the "middle class" players who will suffer. I don't think the top free agents lose too much, but for the non-stars, teams are more likely to think they can get almost the same results from a younger, cheaper player.

For example, let's say you're the Nationals and Suzuki walks and you don't get either Realmuto or James McCann. Do you sign a veteran backup or trade or just go with either Read or Barrera and redeploy that money elsewhere?

What complicates that calculation is that most people expect an unusually high number of non-tenders (for the same reason as above), which puts a lot of extra bodies on the market.


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I don't like the new rules, mostly. I LIKE extra innings. You want base runners, get them the old-fashioned way -- EARN them.

I supported the expanded playoffs this year because of the short season, but the reason we play 162 is to determine a true champion. The more games you play, the more certain you can be that the best team actually won. Why do we want to maximize the chances of sending a team that is below .500 to the World Series? (That came close to happening this year.) I do like the three-batter rule, but if the aim is to save time, you need more, like the 20-second clock.

I agree with you about the DH. Please don't bring it to the NL. Again, with the travel restrictions this year and 1/3 of your games against the other league, it was probably a necessary expedient. But I don't want it. It doesn't even add much offensively. In 2019, AL teams averaged 4.88 runs per game; NL teams averaged 4.78 runs per game. Disparities in batting average and slugging percentage, while favoring the AL, were similarly minimal.

There are strategic decisions to be made when you don't he the DH that you don't have when you do. I like the strategy. But we're eliminating that for what? A tenth of a run per team per game. Really?


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Manfred said the 30 teams combined for $3 billion in operating losses because of the coronavirus pandemic, which caused all 898 regular-season games to be played in empty ballparks without fans..."It is a huge issue for us in terms of the economics of the game. The losses that I referred to earlier were basically in stone when we started the season because we knew about 40% of our revenue is gate-related and we knew we weren't going to have it.


Doing the math, that's an average loss of $100 million per team -- obviously the major market teams are going to suffer bigger losses. Sure, the numbers may be cooked, but the reality is undeniable: owners took massive losses this past season with no fan attendance.
May see alot of guys signing 1 year deals in hopes that 2022 will return to normal.



I'm still wondering what the math means. If I own a team worth a couple billion and I expected to profit $300 million this season but only made $200, did I lose $100? Or are they saying that my team is now worth only $1.9 million, because I had to pull money out of the bank to cover expenses?
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He's referring to operating losses, not club value. The biggest takeaway for me is that 40% of their revenue went kaput. Huge chunk. Will be interesting to see how teams approach 2021 when 100% of player salaries are due and there is no paid attendance (assuming such) .


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I think it means that contracts won't be as long -- such as Harper's 13 years or Cole's 9 -- and not quite as big. I think it's mostly the "middle class" players who will suffer. I don't think the top free agents lose too much, but for the non-stars, teams are more likely to think they can get almost the same results from a younger, cheaper player.

For example, let's say you're the Nationals and Suzuki walks and you don't get either Realmuto or James McCann. Do you sign a veteran backup or trade or just go with either Read or Barrera and redeploy that money elsewhere.

What complicates that calculation is that most people expect an unusually high number of non-tenders (for the same reason as above), which puts a lot of extra bodies on the market.



Long term guaranteed contracts are one of the worst things in pro sports. Too much dead money spent on under performing players. I'd rather see minimum payrolls per team paired with maximum contract lengths to get the money into the hands of the players who earned it.

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Originally Posted by PowerBoater69
Originally Posted by TBP
I think it means that contracts won't be as long -- such as Harper's 13 years or Cole's 9 -- and not quite as big. I think it's mostly the "middle class" players who will suffer. I don't think the top free agents lose too much, but for the non-stars, teams are more likely to think they can get almost the same results from a younger, cheaper player.

For example, let's say you're the Nationals and Suzuki walks and you don't get either Realmuto or James McCann. Do you sign a veteran backup or trade or just go with either Read or Barrera and redeploy that money elsewhere.

What complicates that calculation is that most people expect an unusually high number of non-tenders (for the same reason as above), which puts a lot of extra bodies on the market.



Long term guaranteed contracts are one of the worst things in pro sports. Too much dead money spent on under performing players. I'd rather see minimum payrolls per team paired with maximum contract lengths to get the money into the hands of the players who earned it.


Agree with you on this. Wish it could happen, but I dont see the MLBPA ok'ing it. Besides, blame goes to the owners -- no one's forcing them to offer 10 year zillion dollar deals.


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The MLBPA doesn't want a payroll minimum because they think it opens the door to a salary cap.


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