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Report: Owners Could Pursue Further Salary Reduction For Players If Season Begins Without Fans

By Steve Adams | April 16, 2020 at 3:05pm CDT
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As Major League Baseball ponders various scenarios in which the 2020 season could commence in empty parks without fans in attendance, Ken Rosenthal and Evan Drellich of The Athletic write that empty-stadium games could prompt ownership to ask that the players make further concessions in terms of their 2020 salary.

The two sides already reached an agreement on service time, player salaries and a broad framework for an abbreviated draft late last month. Within that agreement, players agreed to prorated salaries that are directly proportional to the reduction of total games played.

Rosenthal and Drellich suggest, however, that the league “made it clear to the union that economic adjustments would be necessary if games were played in empty parks,” while many on the players’ side of talks believe that the already standing agreement addressed games without fan and/or games at neutral sites. Unsurprisingly, agent Scott Boras ardently pointed to the preexisting “good faith agreement” regarding empty-stadium play while implying that seeking further reductions would be in violation of said good faith.

It seems rather perplexing that the players wouldn’t have pursued precise language expressly underscoring that even neutral-site games without fans in attendance should fall under the purview of the currently agreed-upon salary reduction parameters. That agreement, after all, was unanimously ratified by all 30 owners back on March 27. At that point, the idea of televising games without fans was already widely being speculated upon and surely being discussed by the league and MLBPA. Word of the potential “Arizona” plan trickled out not two weeks after that agreement had been settled.

The owners’ claim in all of this would undoubtedly be that addition of television revenue would not be enough to cover the cost of operations in conjunction with the elimination of gate revenue. Such claims wouldn’t be able to be proven with books closed to the public, but it’s easy to see all 30 owners aligning on that front whether or not the sentiment holds true in actuality.

At this point, all parties involved are flying blind for the most part, as there’s not yet any certainty regarding when or if play will resume, where games will take place or how many games could be played. There’s also been talk of expanding the postseason format, which would create additional revenue on all sides that wouldn’t otherwise exist. Without those details set in place, fiscal specifics are impossible to glean. All of those issues will factor into further negotiations — if it is indeed determined that the existing language leaves ownership ample latitude to pursue such reductions. It’s easy to imagine a contentious set of secondary negotiations eventually being necessary once the logistics can be more clearly defined, though.

At least as pertains to the 2020 season, commissioner Rob Manfred wields the ultimate hammer, as his position gives him the right to unilaterally suspend player contracts due to the declaration of a national emergency. While one would hope that negotiations wouldn’t get to that point, the threat of such extreme action could indeed be powerful leverage against the MLBPA.

All of this comes at a time when the current collective bargaining agreement is set to expire in December 2021. Advance collective bargaining talks were already reported to be in place well before the COVID-19 pandemic emerged. Any rising tensions that stem from further back-and-forth on more immediate issues figure to impact those CBA negotiations whenever they resume in earnest.


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Dont wanna hear a single zillionaire ballplayer cryin the blues over this. That goes for any sport. Welcome to reality, a/holes.


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Wouldn't be surprised if some Scott Boros type agents object to this.



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Dont wanna hear a single zillionaire ballplayer cryin the blues over this. That goes for any sport. Welcome to reality, a/holes.



Right, figure out a plan to play in Fla and Arizona and get the season started. If a ballplayer with an eight figure contract doesn't want to show the teams should be able to either 1) void their contract, or 2) have player go unpaid this year and the contract extended another season. Lots of people wish they could work right now, these pampered MLB vets need to STFU and play ball.

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Tampa Bay's Blake Snell is not getting what he wants, and he wants his mommy -- ESPN.com excerpt:

"No, I gotta get my money. I'm not playing unless I get mine, OK? And that's just the way it is for me. Like, I'm sorry you guys think differently, but the risk is way the hell higher and the amount of money I'm making is way lower. Why would I think about doing that?"

Snell, who was scheduled to make $7 million in 2020, said that he "love(s) baseball to death" but that he is unwilling to accept multiple reductions of his salary.

"Bro, I'm risking my life," Snell said. "What do you mean it should not be a thing? It should 100% be a thing. If I'm gonna play, I should be getting the money I signed to be getting paid. I should not be getting half of what I'm getting paid because the season's cut in half, on top of a 33% cut of the half that's already there -- so I'm really getting, like, 25%.

"On top of of that, it's getting taxed. So, imagine how much I'm actually making to play, you know what I'm saying?"

Snell later texted the Tampa Bay Times, acknowledging that he realizes his comments on the video could be perceived as greedy.

"I mean honestly it's just scary to risk my life to get Covid-19 as well as not knowing and spreading it to the others,'' Snell texted to the Times. "I just want everyone to be healthy and get back to our normal lives cause I know I miss mine!"

The former American League Cy Young Award winner also told the Times he would be willing to skip the 2020 season and said the owners' proposal of a revenue split is "is super frustrating because we have way more risk."

Snell emphasized in the video that he is concerned about the long-term health effects of possibly contracting COVID-19, saying the damage to his body is "gonna be there forever."

"I'm just saying, it doesn't make sense for me to lose all of that money and then go play," he said. "And then be on lockdown, not around my family, not around the people I love, and getting paid way the hell less -- and then the risk of injury runs every time I step on the field."

Snell, 27, is entering the second year of a five-year, $50 million deal with the Rays.

MLB met with union officials Tuesday to begin presenting its proposal, but the discussion did not involve player compensation or other economic components, sources familiar with the meeting told ESPN's Jesse Rogers.


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I'm already angry enough at the news, this stuff freaking triggers me, a ballplayer who thinks that $2 million isn't enough for him to play 3-4 months of baseball. What a bunch of jerks this whole class of athletes have become. MLB is getting wrecked by the loss of ticket and TV revenue and he wants his whole $7 million. Then he has the nerve to complain about paying taxes.

Thousands and thousands of people who make less than $100K per year make their money either directly or indirectly from MLB, just get out there and play the games, or don't and forfeit your salaries while your ex-teammates play.

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Dude is trying to make a "I'm risking my life" argument but he falls flat on his face. He makes me no sense. "I'm risking my life sure, but I'll risk my life if you pay me my $7 million, not $2 million". That's as stupid as it gets. I don't think the Covid thing is the REAL issue with him at all. He's just pouting because he aint collecting on his $7 million.

Than he says "I just want everyone to be healthy and get back to our normal lives". Clearly, that aint gonna happen for a LONG time. Dude can keep dreamin.

It's a free country. He wants to sulk and doesn't wanna play? Fine. Let him get the hell outta the way for someone who wants to play.

This is gonna be the story the national media is salivating about once the pro seasons start. Pick your professional sport. As soon as ONE athlete gets the Covid, the national media will blow it up big time and players will start peeing their pants. And they'll pee too even if it's a clubhouse attendant, a players' parking lot attendant, or a front office employee that catches Covid.





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Latest On MLB’s Proposal For Return To Play

By Steve Adams | May 14, 2020 at 11:14am CDT
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Since the league shutdown in mid-March, the looming question hanging over Major League Baseball has been one of how a positive test or tests among players and coaches would be handled. Even earlier this week, as the league presented the the Players Association with a proposal to return to play, that aspect remained a critical unknown. This morning, Jared Diamond and Louise Radnofsky of the Wall Street Journal shed some light on those matters, reporting that MLB’s proposal would see players tested multiple times per week.

Major League Baseball, per the WSJ report, is confident in its ability to gain access to tens of thousands of test kits without depleting the supply available to essential frontline workers. The specifics of that arrangement aren’t clear, and detractors will surely argue that multiple tests per week for athletes, coaches, training staff and umpires could be better allocated. Granted, testing capacity is on the rise and could look markedly different by the time play resumes. Diamond and Radnofsky also write that the league will focus on acquiring primarily 24-hour tests as opposed to more immediate, rapid-result tests.

That, of course, comes with its own potential for pitfalls; an asymptomatic player, coach or umpire who tests positive would still have been in contact with others for a full day before learning of the diagnosis under that scenario. Paired with going a day or multiple days between tests, it’s not hard to envision infections spreading quickly.

Notably, Diamond and Radnofsky underline that a positive test would not result in a stoppage of play under the current proposal. Any person or persons who test positive would be immediately quarantined, while those who’d been in contact will be more closely monitored. Specifics on the protocol for contact tracing and increased or more aggressive testing in the wake of a positive test remain unknown.

With all that in mind, it’s not particularly surprising to see SNY’s Andy Martino cite an unnamed agent who states that there’s “no question” some players will opt not to play in 2020. He adds that no specific proposals on how exemptions for at-risk players would be handled — a debate that carries its own set of intricacies regarding service time and salary.

Some players with heightened risk due to underlying medical conditions have recently voiced a willingness to play, but others have been more outspoken about their concern. There are also many players with underlying conditions that aren’t public knowledge, to say nothing of family members and loved ones who could be at greater risk. Concerns figure to be prominent among coaching staffs as well, where numerous personnel are in their 60s and 70s — some with more troubling medical concerns.

Of course, there’s no situation where play resumes and the risk is wholly eliminated. The goal is to dramatically reduce the risk, and regular testing coupled with temperature checks and other regulations will work toward that end. In the Korea Baseball Organization, there’s been a ban on spitting, high fives and handshakes. Similar restrictions will likely be put in place in MLB, and although strictly enforcing them will be difficult, the players know it’s in their best interest to work to curtail those habits. USA Today’s Bob Nightengale writes that players and personnel will be discouraged from using rideshare services such as Uber and Lyft, and they’ll also be advised against signing autographs and taking pictures with fans at their hotels.

MLB is also wary of the potential for another notable wave of virus cases in the fall and winter, Nightengale adds, which is why the league ultimately scrapped a plan that would’ve seen postseason play push into December. The aim now is for an 82-game season with an expanded, 14-team postseason format that can be concluded in early November.

The health component is the most important piece of negotiations between the league and the players union — although it’s certainly not the only one. The two sides still need to reach some kind of agreement on salary, and players appear loath to accept a revenue sharing system that would represent even greater reductions than the prorated salaries to which they already agreed back in March.


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I wonder if the players might wind up making more if they took the revenue sharing, not that they will.

If they don't want to play, I'm sure there is some younger player who will take the opportunity.


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I dont agree with Nolan Arenado's comments yesterday, but at least the guy tried to frame them in a way without sounding so bigheaded and narcisstic


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I dont agree with Nolan Arenado's comments yesterday, but at least the guy tried to frame them in a way without sounding so bigheaded and narcisstic


Unlike blue collar guy Bryce Harper who saw Snell getting raked for being out of touch and decided to jump on that bandwagon.

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They're both completely out of touch with reality. Snell got drafted right out of HS. He and Harper have never worked a day in their life, outside of baseball.

It's a free country, so if they dont wanna play because they're afraid of infecting themselves/family, or risking their futures, than dont play -- fine with me. Got nothing against them. Just enough with the "I want mine" temper tantrums


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Right, I'd have less problem with a guy sitting out a season and taking the salary hit. It's the Doolittle's who not only want to make the decision for themselves, but also for the stadium and network employees who they don't feel should be trusted to choose on their own.

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Absolutely loathe people in the public eye like Doolittle who tweet and run their mouths about political issues and the various "causes" out there. So that they can "enlighten" we, The Great Unwashed. Please.


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The A's held off paying their April stadium rent. They cited terms & conditions in the contract as reason. Angels are furloughing some employees effective June 1. Wonder what other teams will be next. Ahh, but don't tell Snell about all this. Obviously, money grows on trees.


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Cubs just announced pay cuts for non-player personnel. Pirates to furlough workers, and their Executive staff took voluntary pay cuts. Cue images of Snell and Show Me The Money gifs.


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Cubs just announced pay cuts for non-player personnel. Pirates to furlough workers and their Executive staff took voluntary pay cuts. Cue images of Snell and Show Me The Money gifs.


Those are just team employees, that doesn't include contractors, TV and radio network employees, the people who make the uniforms, bats, and balls, etc. But Doolittle and his wife would mandate that those people stay at home and live off of government checks indefinitely.

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Cubs just announced pay cuts for non-player personnel. Pirates to furlough workers and their Executive staff took voluntary pay cuts. Cue images of Snell and Show Me The Money gifs.


Those are just team employees, that doesn't include contractors, TV and radio network employees, the people who make the uniforms, bats, and balls, etc. But Doolittle and his wife would mandate that those people stay at home and live off of government checks indefinitely.


Of course. If they're for something, it should be required, and if they're against it, it should be prohibited. Besides, more dependent people mean more votes for the left.

(In the name of compassion, of course.)


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Earlier today I saw Snell's full, unedited comments from earlier this month. Thread title revised accordingly.

Excerpt from MLBTradeRumors.com: The (large market) LA Angels will be furloughing employees from nearly every department, including, in the words of Ken Rosenthal, “weakening its amateur scouting department heading into the draft.”

Some of the readers who comment on these articles gotta be either player agents or just dumb fucks:

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Just give the players 100% of their salaries. They get paid while being on the IL. Why would this be different. F

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This is how I feel. Unless there is a contract clause saying if the league can’t play you don’t get paid, a contract is a contract and they should get paid.


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From ESPN:

The league's proposal, which includes bonuses if postseason games are played, offers lower-salaried players a higher percentage of their expected wages and would give some of the game's biggest stars a fractional cut of their salaries. The formula the league offered, for example, would take a player scheduled to make the league minimum ($563,500), give him a prorated number based on 82 games ($285,228) and take a 10% cut from that figure, leaving him with a $256,706 salary.

The scale goes down as salaries go up, with every dollar:

$563,501 to $1 million paid at 72.5%

$1,000,001 to $5 million paid at 50%

$5,000,001 to $10 million paid at 40%

$10,000,001 to $20 million paid at 30%

$20,000,001 and up paid at 20%

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Looks good to me. The young guys in their first three years get a quarter million instead of a half million. A fair deal since they would be playing half the number of games. The vets would take a big hit, based on the fact that there would be ZERO fans in the stands buying tickets, parking, souvenirs, $7 hot dogs, and $15 beers. But the vets don't want to take a pay cut, they'd skip a season and screw over their younger teammates.

MLB needs to make this happen, even if the top five highest paid players on the team sat out the season I'd still watch. My guess is that it would be just like the NFL strike with the replacement players when the stars tried to hold out but caved in week by week.

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Unsurprisingly, the list of clubs talking furloughs, pay cuts, and layoffs just gets longer every day.

The players want to hold the owners to a vague discussion back in March that would ensure the players get full salary. Which was before anyone knew that zero fans would be in attendance. They wanna bend over the the owners and F 'em hard on this issue.
So sick of this BS. The clubs are willing to protect the players from Covid on a level that no other American worker could receive. Play the season, and if you're not shut the hell up and go play golf.


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I found this from a 2005 study of the impact of the MLB strikes:

"Using the baseball strikes of 1981, 1994, and 1995 as test cases, we find the net economic impact for a MLB team on a host city of $16.2 million under one model and $132.3 million under a second model."

Those numbers are 15 years old so they could only have gone up. But guys like Snell, Harper, Cole, and Doolittle don't give a crap about all of the downstream economic impact, they just want all of their millions. Bring on the replacements and let's play ball.

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Didn't Sotomayor tell MLB it couldn't use replacements?


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Didn't Sotomayor tell MLB it couldn't use replacements?


By replacements I mean bring up minor leaguers to replace anyone who decides to sit out the season. Would not be an issue unless the players go on strike.

The news today is that Boras is heavily involved in the union push back against the owners. I just read a stat that 55% of the players have careers of five years or fewer, so most never pass the six years of service necessary to make it to free agency. Boras is pushing for the union to make decisions to benefit less than a third of the players. The younger guys need to use their votes to accept this offer.

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MLBPA is making a new case for full salary, to play more than 81 games, and that the owners are intentionally ignoring the gobs of national and local advertising and promotion revenue awaiting. And that businesses are lining up to purchase it all. Which is the kind of BS a 12 year old could sniff out. Most of baseball's big national advertising categories (automotive, airlines, mobile phones) have been hit as hard as other industries by the pandemic. Getting really close to not caring about this.



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Normally I'd side with the players over the owners but this dispute is really the super rich players (Boras guys) vs the rank and file guys who are looking at a 2-6 season MLB career and can't afford to miss an entire year. The Boras guys like Max Scherzer have been given control of the union and they are the ones leaking the press their displeasure with the MLB offer (not giving a damn about the thousands of other jobs at stake in the middle of a national crisis). Since half the players never make it to their sixth season those guys would be idiots to not jump at the MLB offer. The young guys have the votes, they just need the balls to take over the union.

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Boras is telling his players that the pandemic has ZERO to do with the owners problems. According to Boras, the owners' current financial problems are self-inflicted: a result of (get this) poor management debt financing.

Credit to Trevor Bauer for making this statement :

Hearing a LOT of rumors about a certain player agent meddling in MLBPA affairs. If true — and at this point, these are only rumors — I have one thing to say... Scott Boras, rep your clients however you want to, but keep your damn personal agenda out of union business.
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Normally I'd side with the players over the owners but this dispute is really the super rich players (Boras guys) vs the rank and file guys who are looking at a 2-6 season MLB career and can't afford to miss an entire year.


That seemed to be what Trevor Bauer was implying with his tweet.


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I agree with Bauer.


Definitely. More news of layoffs today, including minor leaguers. Meanwhile Max Scherzer sits in his palace and cries about the greedy owners.

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MLBTradeRumors: “many” members of the union appear open to deferring salaries beyond 2020, though, which could help ownership to avoid an upfront hit. Rosenthal and Drellich (from The Athletic) detail some other potential compromises that have been “loosely” discussed.

They're still a week or so away from a hard deadline if they want to start the season on time. Most of the current players are too young to remember the '95 strike and the public's wrath. If the NBA, NHL, and the NFL play their seasons but MLB does not, they will look like even bigger a-holes, whether that's right or wrong. The entire baseball industry will face a backlash theyve never seen.

Also, Trevor Bauer is contracted to make $17.5 million this season, obviously not a rank and file salary -- if he were a Nat he would have the 3rd highest salary this season, closely behind Corbin. Boras can go to hell, btw.



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Paying the young guys half their salary for half a season while asking the vets to take the big hit was never going to be too popular with the Boras crew, hopefully the deferred money will be enough to seal the deal.

Thing is that the deferred money will eventually hit the younger guys because there will be a lot less money available for free agent contracts over the next 5-10 years. Not that the fans should care as long as they get the season going.

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Wonder how many more doubleheaders are they planning, and assuming they'll be playing more back-to-backs, would seem that all that puts older teams like the Nats at a disadvantage. Kendricks/Suzuki/Zimmerman/Cabrera cant play every day even in a regular season. Guess the DH helps. Would think the more doubleheaders they're planning the greater likelihood of a 6 pitcher starting rotation imo.


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I don't even care anymore, I just want the season to start. Gibbs and Beathard/Casserly excelled in the strike years and with Plan B free agency, this will be a great test for Rizzo and Martinez. The Nats are a big money team, is our brain trust up to the challenge to adapt?

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Max has a point about greedy owners, but they do need to make a profit to pay the greedy players the exorbitant amounts of money they make.

Of the eight players on the union's executive board, three are Boras clients. No other agent has more than one.


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I don't even care anymore, I just want the season to start. Gibbs and Beathard/Casserly excelled in the strike years and with Plan B free agency


Reminds me more of the abundance of players from the USFL implosion, although obviously lesser talented. Mariners alone cut 50 minor leaguers yesterday, gonna be a sh!tload of minor leaguers from all teams for Rizzo to check out. With an aging roster and a so-so minor league system gotta think Rizzo is drooling now. If they end up only finding 2-3 players to develop for the long term that's still ok.


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I kind of like the idea of paying the players theirentire prorated salaries, but deferring some. This addresses the owners' needs up front and the players' need to get the full amount to which they're entitled.


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I'm seeing all sorts of pictures of bars packed with people. If the Nats had a game today I bet they'd fill the ballpark. These ballplayers are young and low risk, this is about the money, nothing else.

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I don't even care anymore, I just want the season to start. Gibbs and Beathard/Casserly excelled in the strike years and with Plan B free agency


Reminds me more of the abundance of players from the USFL implosion, although obviously lesser talented. Mariners alone cut 50 minor leaguers yesterday, gonna be a sh!tload of minor leaguers from all teams for Rizzo to check out. With an aging roster and a so-so minor league system gotta think Rizzo is drooling now. If they end up only finding 2-3 players to develop for the long term that's still ok.



The Twins, Royals, Reds, and Astros are paying their minor league guys. Very smart. 5-15 years from now the 18-22 year old players around the league will remember which teams supported them and which dropped them.

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The Dbacks just furloughed 25% of their staff.

Twenty-five percent.

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It's Not Just The 2020 Season At Stake, but The Future of MLB
Buster Olney, ESPN

Many of the folks inside baseball but outside of the Zoom labor negotiations assume that, eventually, cooler heads will prevail in the talks between the owners and the players' union. Because they have to -- right?

Because the alternative -- no attempted restart of baseball in 2020 because of a failure of the two sides to agree to terms -- bears catastrophic consequences, now and in the sport's future. The leaders on both sides have to see that -- right?

They have to understand this nuclear option is no option at all -- right?

They have to understand how baseball might need a generation or two -- decades -- for some fans to forget or forgive this ill-timed squabble over money, at a time when so many have lost jobs and increasingly struggle to meet the cost of shelter and food. Baseball's owners and players can't be so deeply mired in distrust and doctrine that they don't see this -- right?

But here we are, in a countdown to utter disaster for Major League Baseball, and sources of moderation on both sides are having difficulty identifying the path through which the parties will leave their respective bunkers to reach the agreement the industry must have. As distasteful as the terms might be for the owners and players, they should all recognize that while concern over player and staff safety could ultimately prevent games from being played, they must settle the question of player compensation -- whatever form that takes -- and shake hands on the deal and smile for the cameras. (Actually, please be sure to get it in writing that everybody acknowledges -- more later on how the failure to do that has contributed to the current stalemate.)

Is MLB's proposal the first step to playing ball in 2020 -- or the beginning of the end?

Why many in baseball need reminder of their love for the game
If that doesn't happen -- if they can't agree on a deal to play in 2020 -- baseball will become a loathed presence on North America's sporting landscape, scorned by many fans. The labor fight will merely be deferred, with escalation in some form all but assured because of the unresolved issues.

Next spring, with only months remaining in the current collective bargaining agreement, the players are more apt to use the threat of a strike. Owners, already damaged by the money losses this year, could be more inclined to dig in and wait out the players, aiming for a lasting reconstruction of baseball's financial model. The labor fight could go on and on, and by the time it all plays out, it's impossible to know how many fans, feeling alienated or disgusted, will leave baseball behind once and for all.

The only sure thing is that the owners and players will lose, unless they settle this standoff that risks mutually assured destruction.

So they have to make a deal. Right?

The fractures between the lead negotiating groups -- led by commissioner Rob Manfred and union chief Tony Clark -- have developed into a gaping chasm of suspicion and frustration. But each side will also have to work through competing internal forces.

Sources say there is a group of owners perfectly willing to shut down the season, to slash payroll costs and reduce losses, and the disparate views among the 30 teams have been reflected in the decisions to fire and furlough. The Pirates' Bob Nutting used the shutdown as an avenue to suspend team contributions to employee 401K plans -- savings best measured monthly in the tens of thousands of dollars rather than the millions that would actually be difference-making for a franchise probably worth at least $1 billion. The Oakland Athletics' John Fisher decided to eliminate the $400 weekly salaries of minor leaguers, which might save the franchise about the amount of the team's unpaid stadium rental bill. On the other hand, clubs such as the Tigers, Padres and Royals demonstrated greater humanity, with the Royals' John Sherman deciding to pay his minor leaguers.

The clash of clans on the players' side was illuminated this week by the Twitter spat between Trevor Bauer and Kyle Lohse, client of Scott Boras, after Bauer tweeted, in so many words, that Boras should butt out of union business. Over the past 2½ months of social distancing, raw exchanges like these have me wondering how we are so technologically advanced and yet so many seem unable to place a direct phone call.

'Oh my God, how can we do this?'

An oral history of the 1994 MLB strike that nearly destroyed baseball. Tim Kurkjian »

I know what you're thinking: "OK, Boomer. That conversation stuff is so old-school." But better communication will be needed to overcome the union's internal division, to band the baseball brothers together and present a united front that was once a reflex position among the players.

The labor relations scars of Hall of Fame pitcher Tom Glavine are well-earned from his time as a union frontman during the '94-95 players' strike. He has never had a sledgehammer personality, so the message he seemingly tried to impart in an interview with the Atlanta Journal-Constitution the other day was subtle and indirect but hardened. "If it were to come down to an economic issue and that's the reason baseball didn't come back, you're looking at a situation similar to the strike of '94 and '95 as far as fans are concerned," he said. "Even if the players were 100% justified in what they were complaining about, they're still going to look bad."

Keep in mind that the players' strike in '94-95 took place during a time of relative national prosperity. There was no global pandemic, record unemployment or growing civil unrest.

Looking back, Glavine said, "The accessibility thing was a miscalculation on my part. I just felt like if I did an interview on the radio or TV, or if I had five or 10 minutes, I could make somebody understand what was going on and come to our side. That just wasn't going to happen."

From the early-April interviews Boras gave to the statements released by Clark to Blake Snell's Twitch feed, it's as if there has been an effort to win a public relations fight. If asked -- and yes, the union would be well-served to seek the counsel of Glavine, David Cone, Todd Zeile, Johnny Bench and others who helped to construct the world's strongest union the current players inherited -- Glavine would seemingly tell them: Don't bother; you're not going to win in the court of public opinion.

Perhaps old union warriors Don Fehr and Gene Orza could offer useful reviews of the players' association's current logjam, given their knowledge of the baseball landscape and their decades-old understanding of the owners and leverage. Clark played 15 years in the big leagues, accomplishing things Fehr and Orza could only dream of -- 251 big league homers, the stature of a respected clubhouse leader. But Clark does not have a legal background, and in his one major negotiation, the CBA talks of 2016, the union lost enormous ground in agreeing to a deal that effectively fostered soft salary caps and continued tanking.

Bruce Meyer, Clark's right-hand man, has been in baseball for less than two years. The perception of Bauer, many other agents and management officials is that Boras is in a position of high influence right now, and while Boras is the most celebrated player representative in U.S. sports history, with record-setting deals, he also lacks front-line experience in negotiations that possess such long-standing ramifications for this and the next collective bargaining agreement.

Clark, Meyer and Boras have stood firmly behind an assertion that the late-March agreement between the union and MLB made clear that players would be paid their prorated salaries for any games, even without fans in the stands. On the other hand, management contends that the agreement contained an understanding that the question of player compensation would be revisited if there were no fans in the stands, and Joel Sherman wrote recently about the contemporaneous internal management memo that backs this position. There are players and agents who would like to see comparable documentation from union leadership, in the form of memos and emails.

The talks between the two sides are stalled over this important point, and if clear-cut language recognized by both sides does not exist, "it's the fault of the lawyers," said one agent. "The result is devastating."

One way or another, this issue has to be resolved. A question asked by moderates on the players' side: Who will make a deal?

And a question asked on both sides: Is it possible for the owners' side to refrain from the destructive practice of leaking offers to the media? This practice has repeatedly undercut the effort to construct a bridge of trust and shaped the perception of owners' motives. After MLB's most recent proposal was published before it was presented, pitcher Jake Diekman wrote on Twitter, "It's getting very irritating that all of the information regarding the start of the baseball season is getting leaked before 95% of the players can even see it."

On Memorial Day, union moderates thought some conceptual traction had started to build toward a deal, with some salary considerations swapped for some protection of the upcoming free-agent classes. But because the offer was so stark, with the highest-paid players asked to take cuts of up to 80%, and because of how it leaked, many moderates thought that the owners' offer backfired and pushed the players closer to Boras' position -- that negotiations about salary are over. The highly respected Max Scherzer, a member of the union's executive committee and a Boras client, tweeted that "there's no reason to engage with MLB in any further compensation reductions," citing conversations with "the rest of the players."

Thus, 80 days after baseball was shut down over the coronavirus pandemic, the two sides are completely at odds -- the owners asking for major salary concessions without being willing to open their financial books, and the union leaders settled behind what might be an unsettled issue, depending on what the negotiated language says.

Meanwhile, they're like two second cousins arguing loudly in the back pews during a memorial service. Everyone watching the spat is mortified and embarrassed for them.

They have to work it out. Don't they?

• Paul Hembekides sent along some notes about baseball's financial landscape:

1. MLB's financial proposal would be a big financial hit for high-earning players (obviously), but that is a really small subset. There were 1,410 players who appeared in an MLB game in 2019. There were 124 players who earned at least $10 million in 2019 (9% of the player pool); there were 140 scheduled to earn at least $10 million in 2020. Forty players earned at least $20 million in 2019 (3% of player pool); there were 47 scheduled to earn at least $20 million in 2020. (This does not account for those who did not play a game in 2019, such as Yoenis Cespedes.)

2. Over the past decade, the value of the average MLB franchise has increased by approximately 300%, to $1.85 billion. The annual contract of the average MLB player has increased by about 40%, to $4.4 million. As The Associated Press reported, salaries have stagnated over the past five years.

3. Baseball is a young man's game. The percentage of players by current service time (from 2019 40-man Opening Day rosters):

0-1 year: 30%
1-2 years: 16%
2-3 years: 11%
3-4 years: 9%
4-5 years: 6%
5-6 years: 6%
6+ years: 21%

Note: This does not add up to 100% because of rounding.

• If the two sides forge an agreement and baseball is played in 2020, it will be interesting to see if some players eligible for free agency in the upcoming offseason choose to not participate for reasons similar to why some NFL and NBA prospects bypass combines and bowl games -- out of concern for short-term risk.

Let's say a 29-year-old pitcher is set to become eligible for free agency in the fall and is leery about the possibility of injury, perhaps enhanced by the odd work schedule this year or some performance struggles in what promises to be a small sample size. That player might choose to sit out whatever season is played, opting to take his 2019 résumé into market.


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In lieu of unemployment rampant across the US, Olney correctly states that the owners and players are messing around with a nuclear button the likes theyve never played with before.

Main story on ESPN. Good. And let every one of these a-holes from both sides squirm in their $4,000.00 plush seats when they read it. In addition to unemployment, hopefully these jackoffs get the fact that we have a race riots going on, and no one gives a shit right now about pissy ballplayers complaining about their $7 million annual salaries.

Heyman from MLB Network shines a brighter light: he reported this afternoon that despite their differences, both sides are optimistic that a deal will get done, and understand the remifications of a cancelled season. We'll see.


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The players have offered a counter proposal. So all the crying about worrying about their health was just a negotiating tactic. Chances are the two sides will make a deal.

The latest thing to really piss me off was that last night Sean Doolittle dunked on Mark Lerner hard for not paying the minor league guys to not play baseball, Doolittle and the other players announced that they are going to pay their minor league brothers and the press and fans slammed the greedy owners all night. But meanwhile Max, Zimmerman, Corbin, Doolittle, and the rich Boras client types around the league have been demanding more money for themselves for the past two weeks. In a year with half a season and no fans the richest of players have been looking out for themselves, do they think that the owners are going to continue to pay everyone at every level for the year? Probably the players should be allowed to loot the team offices too since the team is insured.

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Agree 100%. Pissed me off when I read that this morning. A pathetic attempt by the players to look like the good guys to the fans. Look at us, the knights in shining armor arriving to save the day because Lerner is a Scrooge, and I want mine, bro.

Besides, The A's cut the stipend ENTIRELY last week, so what The Nats did is not earth shattering. Matter of time before more clubs take a knife to the stipend.


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Excerpt from Boswell in today's Q&A. Clueless.

"The Lerners should be ashamed. They can give out championship rings with 108 diamonds, 32 sapphires and 30 rubies but they have released 30 minor leaguers and cut the pay of all their other minor leaguers by 25% --down to $300-a-week!?

I guess it's no fun these days to be heavily invested in commercial real estate or in malls --both of which are getting crushed by long-term trends and now by the pandemic accelerent to those changes. And owning an MLB team isn't quite the money-printing machine it used to be. If the Lerners aren't careful they'll be down to their last few billion."


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As a diehard Nats fan, I love Max as a player and role model. And I also know that the owners are far better able to weather a summer without baseball than the players, and they will use that advantage to screw as much money as they can back from the players. But to date there are 40 million Americans out of work with 0% of their salaries, and most of those have lost their health insurance as a result. I really cannot understand how the stance of the players now is that they will accept no further cuts or even negotiate with the owners over this. So Max only gets a quarter of his $30 million per season for playing a game for half a season in 2020, and he won't even negotiate? Yes, I get it--it's usually the owners who screw the players in every work stoppage. But don't the players understand that the fans generally blame the players for this? The absolutist rejection of the owners' offer now makes it impossible for them to compromise without looking weak. They have really boxed themselves into a corner and don't seem to know it.

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I agree with every point that you make.

One of the ways out of the box, in theory, is to play more games --more than 100, not 82-- so that the revenue "pie" is bigger. The theory is simple: Tghe players have agreed to a pro-rated salary structure. If they play 81 games, they get 50% of their salary. But if they play 114 --the latest number mentioned-- the players make more money while the owners (probably) lose less --at least in the player's views.

The players need to understand two unique aspects of their current situation.

This is the first time EVER that owners may be BETTER off --or "less badly off"-- financially if they do not play at all in '20. Aside from "continuity" and the general health of the game, their motivations --to play in a money-losing environment, like a restaurant that feels is HAS to open, even at 50% capacity or less, are more limited than in the past.

The owners are like very wealthy business people --who own a Fortune 500 company-- who also own a nice restaurant, but one which is almost financially insignificant compared to their main business. So, unlike a restaurant owned by a small business person, the billionaire can yawn and say, "It's a good restaurant. People will come back next year. So, we'll just wait until there's a treatment and a vaccine."

Second factor: Players may not understand how LITTLE WE CARE whether there is a 2020 season. I get a lot of e-mail from fans who say, "Just keep it simple --no '20 season. Come back in '21. I can live with that."

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Originally Posted by PowerBoater69
What do you expect from the Washington Post?


Politics is only half of it for me. Would often complain to my bosses about the idiots in the editorial depts where i worked (broadcast, newspaper, etc). Not about politics, but about sh!t they did (or didnt do) that would cost me and my colleagues there money.




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Q: MLB and the can of gas
Not a sympathizer of either the owners or players. But to me, the MLBPA needs to be careful of what line in the sand they draw. If they persist to insist that they get full salary this season (deferred or otherwise) for a sub-162 game season, than they are basically saying: "Sure, the country is approaching 20% unemployment, and fans, front office staff, minor leaguers, basically EVERYONE IN THE COUNTRY has been impacted by this pandemic with layoffs, pay cuts, furloughs, et al. But we're digging our heels in for full salaries just because we should" -- ?! -- most of the players are not old enough to remember the fallout from the '95 strike. They are playing with matches and gasoline here. If there is no season - but the NFL, NBA, NHL, and college sports DO play this season - it will make them look even more like Ebenezer Scrooge. And I will make it a point to cancel my season tickets and make sure neither the players or owners get a DAMN CENT FROM FOR ME for as many years as it takes. And I'll feel REAL GOOD doing it, too.

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This is a very well framed counter-argument to a previous chatter's post --the one to which I answered, "Thanks, Marvin (Miller)."

Players AND owners should look at BOTH of these types of sentiments because both are strongly felt and both will have damaging repercussions for MLB if there is no season when/if it seems that there could/should been one.

IOW, if there is no season because of money-fighting the game will get blown up FROM BOTH SIDES.

It could be one of the few hot topics in '20 on which >90% of Americans can agree: Baseball is out of its mind if it doesn't settle its problems when everybody else has much BIGGER problems.

(They CAN'T be this dumb. Even I don't think they are this dumb. And part of my job for almost all of my adult life --from early labor fights to the canceled '94 World Series through PEDs and now Astros cheating-- was to cover "MLB dumb.")

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To date:

1. Owners propose 81 game schedule.
2. MLBPA counters with a 112 game schedule.
3. Late yesterday: owners apparently discussing dropping the 81 game schedule idea to a 50 game schedule. Which is basically a F**K You at the players' 112 game idea.

The problem with the 50 game proposal for the owners is simple: if you say playing MORE games will make you lose MORE money, than why propose the 81 game schedule in the first place? MLBPA will use that against them in the media.

Both sides will posture til the hard deadline, and even that will probably be extended. Both sides can go to hell, especially the players.





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The sides can posture all they want, I just wish they did it behind closed doors, making this dispute public makes both sides look bad. The players were dopes for suggesting the 112 games. How do they expect more games to make more money when the stands are empty?

I'm waiting to make a decision on whether to take the refund or the 2021 credits but watching the rich owners fight with the rich players really makes me want to pull my cash out.

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With proratred salaries, the 50-or-so game schedule would get the salaries down to the level the owners had originally proposed, while letting the players claim they got their prorated salary. Clever, but a bad idea.

If the owners say they'll lose money, open the books and prove it.

Right now, both the owners and players are destroying the game. Is it time to start taking another look at the antitrust exemption?


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With proratred salaries, the 50-or-so game schedule would get the salaries down to the level the owners had originally proposed, while letting the players claim they got tehir prorated salasy. Clever, but a bad idea.

If the owners say they'll lose money, open the books and prove it.

Right now, both the owners and players are destroying the game. Is it time to start taking another look at the antitrust exemption?


Yep, the issue is tying the salaries to the number of games, the numbers don't work when there are no ticket sales, but the rich Boras players don't care they just want their money.

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Open the books, my ass. The owners are not destroying the game to the extent that the players threaten to. You have a business where a HUGE chunk of dollars is gone because paying customers are prohibited. That's a legit concern to the owners. No one knew back in March that there would be fan-less games. But the players to this point want to be paid like it's a 162 game season: "We want ALL of the gain and NONE of the pain".


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Originally Posted by PowerBoater69
Yep, the issue is tying the salaries to the number of games, the numbers don't work when there are no ticket sales, but the rich Boras players don't care they just want their money.


That + all of their BS "concern" about catching COVID. Yeah, so concerned about it that they proposed a 112 game season that pushes the playoffs into late November, when the flu season is surging. Bro, I'm risking my life.

Owners are saying the season will finish in October. No November baseball, it's flu season then. MLBTradeRumors.com excerpt: the league has concerns that additional spikes in COVID-19 cases could jeopardize the postseason, where they’d stand to make considerable revenue from national television broadcasts (particularly with an expanded playoff field).




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I could see the World Series going into November in a neutral location. I think that 50 games is fine for the regular season but it would be int to have 112, with daily double headers. I'd have to set up a TV in my office.

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Owners definitely taking note of this: 2 players in Japan just tested Covid positive on the FIRST day of EXHIBITION baseball there. Both quarantined. Bro, I’m not playing unless I get mine


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The owners rejected the players' offer and don't plan on making a counteroffer. They may just implement the schedule they want.

This is a bad sign, not only for 2020, but long-term.


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The latest, widely expected step in the exhausting back-and-forth between Major League Baseball and the MLB Players Association became official today, as the league has formally rejected the union’s proposal for a 114-game season with prorated salaries, Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic tweets.

Moreover, the league has no plans to even extend a counter-proposal.

The commissioner’s office has begun speaking with owners about implementing a shortened season, Rosenthal adds, and hopes to have similar talks with the union (rather than a negotiation regarding season length).

Owners contend that ommissioner Rob Manfred can seek to unilaterally impose a shortened season if the union won’t budge from its prorated salary demands, and it appears that’s where they’re leaning, per the New York Post’s Joel Sherman. Either a 48- to 54-game season with fully prorated salaries or an 82-game season at less than prorated salaries are under consideration.

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Blake Snell can suck on a pro rata pay system and like it.


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MLBTR excerpt:

Two team executives, Reds president of baseball operations Dick Williams and Brewers president of baseball ops David Stearns, expressed optimism Wednesday that the owners and players will hammer something out.

Williams told Jim Day of Fox Sports Ohio that “both sides want to play,” interestingly adding that he believes an agreement’s “very close” (via C. Trent Rosecrans of The Athletic).

Stearns said, “I firmly believe we are going to have baseball this season” (per Tom Haudricourt of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel).


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Nice, because I'm about done with Netflix.

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MLB Could Let Local Governments Decide On Fans In Stands

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It doesn’t appear many (if any) fans will be permitted to attend Major League Baseball games this year during the COVID-19 pandemic, but there are at least a couple of teams that could have somewhat of a home-field edge. Two major league sources told Evan Grant of the Dallas Morning News on Thursday that the league may leave it up to local and municipal governance on whether to allow fans in the stands. That would be a plus for the Rangers and Astros, as Texas Gov. Greg Abbott announced this week that teams in the state will now be able to fill their stadiums to 50 percent capacity.

This must be welcome news for the Texas-based clubs’ ownership groups – after all, MLB has claimed it could lose $4 billion if there aren’t fans in the seats this year. The Rangers, for their part, are still waiting to play their first game in the brand-new Globe Life Field. The Astros, after an offseason of turmoil caused by a sign-stealing scandal, would surely be happy to receive some in-person support from their fan base.

Of course, despite this news, it remains very much up in the air whether there will be baseball in Texas or anywhere else this season. The league and the union still haven’t come to a deal that would clear the way for baseball in 2020. There may also be health and safety protocols standing in the way, as Grant writes that Texas’ optimistic plans could change based on those matters. Notably, we’ve seen the coronavirus rear its head in Japan’s Nippon Professional Baseball this week. It’s unclear how MLB would proceed with players or fans should the illness affect one of its own teams, even if that club’s local government is open to letting spectators into the stadium.


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There’s no end in sight to this standoff. After an MLBPA board meeting on Thursday, union head Tony Clark said, “The league’s demand for additional concessions was resoundingly rejected”. The players want to return to the field, but they’re simply not open to another pay cut, as Cardinals reliever Andrew Miller told Evan Drellich and Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic (subscription link). “Players are engaged like I’ve never seen before,” Miller said. “Every day through ths each of those factors is reinforced. We hope to be on the field as soon as possible.”

As the deadlock between the league and the Players Association continues, MLB Network’s Jon Heyman tweets that the 30 team owners are remaining “steadfast” in aiming to end the season by Nov. 1. Diamondbacks owner Ken Kendrick already firmly voiced earlier this week his stance that ownership’s model of not playing games in November “will never be changed.”

Twins president, CEO and executive board member Dave St. Peter offered a similar sentiment in a lighter tone than Kendrick, telling La Velle E. Neal III of the Minneapolis Star Tribune: “Getting derailed on the start/stop scenario is the worst-case scenario. You’re trying to thread a needle in getting a baseball season in before a second surge of this virus which we believe is a very real possibility.”


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The owner's proposed 76 games at 75% of the pro-rated salary, the players want 100% for 89 games. A player making $1M a year would get $352K under the owners offer and $549K under the players. So still a ways to go to make up this difference but they are getting closer.

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New proposal from the MLBPA. Maybe we're getting a baby step closer.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2020/06/mlbpa-to-propose-89-game-schedule-in-latest-offer-to-mlb.html


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the biggest issue hasn’t been the potential for expanded postseason play or even the overall number of games, but rather the disagreement on player salary. The union has steadfastly insisted upon prorated salaries, while ownership has continued to push the notion that additional pay cuts are necessary (while making brash claims about team profitability). Ownership has also staunchly refused to consider playing beyond the end of October, and that’s sure to be another roadblock in this latest proposal; Rogers reports that the proposal calls for the regular season to begin on July 10 and run through Oct. 11. As Diamond observes, that would ensure that MLB playoffs don’t go up against the NBA playoffs, which are set to conclude on Oct. 12.

If the sides cannot come to an agreement on salary terms, it seems increasingly likely that commissioner Rob Manfred will implement a roughly 50-game season with prorated salaries. All of the reported components of tonight’s proposal may create optimism that an actual negotiation could finally commence, but MLB Network’s Jon Heyman gives plenty of reason for caution (Twitter link). One ownership source reacted to Heyman: “We’re nowhere.”


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At this point, screw it. 50 game season is not what I prefer but if that's what it comes down to, fine. It'll add even more suspense to every reg season game played. Blake Snell, Harper, Denard Span....just tired of these out of touch clowns.


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the biggest issue hasn’t been the potential for expanded postseason play or even the overall number of games, but rather the disagreement on player salary. The union has steadfastly insisted upon prorated salaries, while ownership has continued to push the notion that additional pay cuts are necessary (while making brash claims about team profitability). Ownership has also staunchly refused to consider playing beyond the end of October, and that’s sure to be another roadblock in this latest proposal; Rogers reports that the proposal calls for the regular season to begin on July 10 and run through Oct. 11. As Diamond observes, that would ensure that MLB playoffs don’t go up against the NBA playoffs, which are set to conclude on Oct. 12.

If the sides cannot come to an agreement on salary terms, it seems increasingly likely that commissioner Rob Manfred will implement a roughly 50-game season with prorated salaries. All of the reported components of tonight’s proposal may create optimism that an actual negotiation could finally commence, but MLB Network’s Jon Heyman gives plenty of reason for caution (Twitter link). One ownership source reacted to Heyman: “We’re nowhere.”


-- MLBTR excerpt.


Give them their prorated salary, over as many games as it's feasible to play, but defer some of it. That way. both sides can claim victory. The players can claim they got all their money and the owners can claim thy didn't have to pay that much this year. Win-win. Give them a 50/50 split of the playoff revenues.

Now, let's play ball.


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Doubt the owners want to defer salaries to next year. All that does is delay debt. And No vaccine til next year so who knows if a 162 game season is doable in '21, and it'll be another circus over salaries.


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Defer it to after their careers, perhaps?


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Deferrals are just an accounting trick. The owners will account for the debt in 2020 dollars and the player's agents will know the projected worth in 5-10-20 years. It is a good way for the players to save face so it doesn't seem like they are giving in for whatever that's worth. I'm not saying it's a bad idea, in fact it's a very good idea, but in the end the bottom line is the bottom line no matter how they shift the money around.

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MLB plans to offer the players a season of 70-plus games with 80 to 85 percent pro rata salaries and a playoff pool bonus, Karl Ravech of ESPN reports.

It’s expected to be a 72-game offer, per MLB Network’s Jon Heyman, who adds the league will “significantly raise” the players’ share if the COVID-19 pandemic forces the cancellation of the postseason. However, “there’s no confidence” that the players will say yes to the league’s newest attempt, according to Heyman.

Prorated salaries continue to serve as the main roadblock between the parties, considering the union has insisted on receiving 100 percent of that pay for the season.


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IIRC a couple weeks ago the owners proposed a 81 game schedule, which MLBPA declined. Now it's dropped to 72 games, with a threat to mandate Manfred to go 48 games as last resort. The MLBPA need tread carefully or theyll get crushed, and Tony Clark will get chucked into the trash. I do not see MLBPA having much leverage here but maybe I'm wrong.


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The owner's proposed 76 games at 75% of the pro-rated salary, the players want 100% for 89 games. A player making $1M a year would get $352K under the owners offer and $549K under the players. So still a ways to go to make up this difference but they are getting closer.


By lowering the number of games and raising the percent per game the owner's offer is only marginally better than before. At 80% the player would get $355K per million at 85% they'd get $377K. By making such a small increase in their offer the owners seem to be indicating that they are done negotiating.

Manfred should go with the nuclear option and go with the 50 game season. I root for the team not the individual players so I don't care if the Boras guys want to skip a year.

Edit: reading comments, the players are pissed and the opinions are as I thought, that the owners are sending a message that they are done giving ground. The owners will do more or less games but the total payrolls won't change. Manfred can mandate a 48 or 50 game season and the thought is that is what will happen. Then the players strike back this offseason. A good reason to take a refund instead of credits for 2021, who knows how much of a season there will be.

In a couple months we could have baseball, basketball, hockey, NASCAR, soccer, and football all overlapping. The brew pubs better get busy making my beers.

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Good call on the refund. Gotta look out for yourself. Until they find a virus the '21 season is filled with too many variables, especially since polls are showing up to half Americans say they will not get the virus shot.


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Heated MLB Letter To MLBPA Highlights Ongoing Acrimony

By Jeff Todd | June 12, 2020 at 7:14pm CDT l MLBTRadeRumors.com

MLB didn’t just provide the MLBPA a new economic proposal today. It also filed some fighting words in the letter delivering its latest offer for a coronavirus-shortened campaign, as Ken Rosenthal and Evan Drellich of The Athletic report.

Deputy MLB commissioner Dan Halem suggested the union has not acted in good faith in negotiations, hinting at the league’s possible stance if and when this matter ends up before an arbitrator. By Halem’s framing, labor is taking an obstructionist stance as the league provides what it labels a “final counterproposal” for a 72-game season.

That the sides are now exchanging angry letters, even as the clock ticks on squeezing in games, is to an extent merely confirmation of that underlying state of affairs. But there’s also a nod to a serious escalation lurking just beneath the surface. Halem hints less than subtly at a possible effort by the league to disrupt the sides’ late March agreement, claiming the union has “purposely failed to fulfill its obligations” and “deprived the Clubs the benefit of their bargain” in the contract.

No doubt the league already anticipated the likely outcome when it sent this shot across the bow. The union is expected to decline, and do so before the league’s appointed Sunday deadline, per Bob Nightengale of USA Today (via Twitter).

While the overall MLB salary offer has morphed in kind and crept up in value, the league’s bargaining posture remains the same as ever. The same holds true on the players’ side, where full pro rata pay has long been seen as a sine qua non.

The league begins from the premise that it can force a greatly truncated season with the players receiving pro rata pay for a third or less of a normal slate of games. Anything more? That’s gravy for the players, so they should be glad to get a marginal return for additional games played, particularly since the league is willing to dangle some added payment for an expanded postseason slate (should that prove possible). Cardinals owner Bill DeWitt laid this out rather forthrightly in his eyebrow-raising recent interview.

The players come from quite the opposite direction. By their view, the sides’ late-March agreement provided for pro rata pay for any games played. While that deal also contemplated the sides “discuss[ing] in good economic feasibility of playing games in the absence of spectators,” the players don’t believe that disrupts the salary clause.

Given those radically different viewpoints, it’s not hard to see why this dispute seems to be so intractable. Indeed, Halem now asserts in the letter that the players have no initial right to pay in the first place. While many are playing under guaranteed contracts, Halem notes that the league could have suspended them upon the declaration of a national emergency. Of course, Manfred didn’t take that course. The late March agreement reportedly requires the commissioner to exercise good-faith efforts to stage as many games as possible, as Baseball America’s JJ Cooper notes on Twitter. And a players’ association source tells Rosenthal and Drellich that the league’s own attorneys acknowledged in letter correspondence that “players are not required to accept less than their full prorated salary.”

As we’ve pointed out here previously, it’s completely absurd that the sides remain entrenched in a disagreement over an agreement they signed in late March — one that was intended to deal with the COVID-19 shutdown. Perhaps that’s the best way to understand the acrimony and distrust: the sides evidently never really saw eye to eye even as they signed that agreement.


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The players signed a deal that guaranteed their service time, that's what they wanted. They gave the owners the right to renegotiate in case the season could not be played in front of fans, which appears to be what will happen. Now they want a better deal than what they signed. Resident limousine socialist Doolittle was complaining about the owners making negotiations public, meanwhile he and his wife are on Twitter non-stop complaining about the hardships they are facing due to the greedy owners.

Every day that goes by gets closer to a 48 day season and likely labor problems for 2021. In a time of mass unemployment the rich owners and rich players want to get richer.

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When the team cut the minor league guys pay $100 a week, I winced. Bad PR move. They shoulda known that the relatively small amount of $$ they saved woulda been outweighed by the bad PR they got....And then Doolittle goes onto social media basically saying the players will cover the difference, which in my eyes was a victory dance he made all over The Lerners, making them look worse when the national media caught on. The players could've done it privately. But no. I wonder if Doolittle gave the Lerners a heads up they were doing that. I doubt it.

Now NBA players are threatening to sit out the entire season because they dont want focus taken off BLM. Good, let them wreck their sport too and deal with the workers who are put out of jobs. Never been so pro management and anti-labor.


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MLBTradeRumors reports MLB has signed a $1 billion deal with TBS to carry postseason games. Not the greatest timing for owners crying poor in negotiations with MLBPA.


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I was driving around today and I can say that Northern Virginia is open for business, it was as busy everywhere as any normal day. Time for the millionaire class ballplayers to get back on the job. If Doolittle Zimmerman, Scherzer, and Corbin want to skip a year bring up the draft picks and start the reload.

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MLBTradeRumors reports MLB has signed a $1 billion deal with TBS to carry postseason games. Not the greatest timing for owners crying poor in negotiations with MLBPA.



Yep, plenty of cash to make a deal. Only thing is that Mark Lerner isn't on Twitter trying to get my sympathy.

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Players rejected latest proposal. and then this espn.com excerpt:

The MLBPA asked MLB to set a schedule for the 2020 season rather than counter the latest return-to-play proposal by the league, setting the stage for MLB to implement a significantly shortened schedule


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I was driving around today and I can say that Northern Virginia is open for business, it was as busy everywhere as any normal day. Time for the millionaire class ballplayers to get back on the job. If Doolittle Zimmerman, Scherzer, and Corbin want to skip a year bring up the draft picks and start the reload.


On Friday Phase 2 went into effect in Central VA so restaurants can now accept 50% capacity dining indoors........Was in a dense restaurant-retail area yesterday, and aside from a coffee shop that had a line out the door, restaurants were relatively empty.

I'm curious to see if restaurants down here require their employees to wear masks. If not, Eff it, aint giving them my business.


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It's time for us to welcome baseball's complete and utter ruin

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Baseball had its chance to unite the country, and boy did it deliver -- Americans may not agree on much, but we sure do hate the national pastime.

A sport stumbling towards on-field irrelevance is now gripped by utter insanity off of it, and whether or not it returns for a pointless 48-game season this summer, it's going to discover that we can live just fine without it.

The latest round of scorched earth rhetoric has the owners accusing the players of bad-faith negotiating -- how dare they try to play MORE games -- and the players responding that the league should just impose its little quarter season so we can get this misery over with.

Fans, meanwhile, have had it. I've devoted my adulthood to covering the sport, and I've never questioned my life choices until now. It's not even that the sides are trying to out-greed each other, it's that they have so little respect for the state of the world that they believe this fight actually matters.

It doesn't, and they're lucky their ballparks will be empty by mandate this summer, because otherwise they'd have to explain fans staying away by choice.



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As Yogi Berra said, "If people don't want to come to the ballpark, nobody can stop them."


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Baseball had its chance to unite the country, and boy did it deliver -- Americans may not agree on much, but we sure do hate the national pastime.

A sport stumbling towards on-field irrelevance is now gripped by utter insanity off of it, and whether or not it returns for a pointless 48-game season this summer, it's going to discover that we can live just fine without it.

The latest round of scorched earth rhetoric has the owners accusing the players of bad-faith negotiating -- how dare they try to play MORE games -- and the players responding that the league should just impose its little quarter season so we can get this misery over with.

Fans, meanwhile, have had it. I've devoted my adulthood to covering the sport, and I've never questioned my life choices until now. It's not even that the sides are trying to out-greed each other, it's that they have so little respect for the state of the world that they believe this fight actually matters.

It doesn't, and they're lucky their ballparks will be empty by mandate this summer, because otherwise they'd have to explain fans staying away by choice.



https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/red-sox/its-time-us-welcome-baseballs-complete-and-utter-ruin


The players will claim they won the PR battle. "We proposed 112 games, the owners bullied us into 48 and did a slam dunk on a country needing to be uplifted". But at the end of the day, the owners have been saying for weeks that regular season games are not gonna be profitable.

Whoever wins the WS this season is still gonna have a fat asterisk next to their name, whether they play 48 or 108. Kinda blase about all of this now. With a 162 game schedule fans will hang in and maintain interest for a playoff run. But with this 48 game format, fan interest will tank FAST if their teams fall behind deep in the standings after only 15-18 games and dont have a realistic shot at the playoffs.

Guess at some point they'll announce terms of what a trade deadline will look like. But let's say a team like the Nats is out of it and they want to trade Doolittle -- teams aren't gonna give up more than a bag of balls since the # of games at stake is so low.


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I disagree about the asterisk, the Redskins won two super bowls in strike shortened seasons and I've never felt like those were tainted victories. If the Nats win we'll be celebrating back to back world series wins and not give a shit about what anyone says (same with any other fan base).

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True, but this current situation seems starker than those 2 NFL seasons. MLB is basically cutting about 70% of its regular season out. That's an NFL equivalant of cancelling 11 of their 16 reg season games, which didnt happen before. Guess I'll be like most people and reserve the right about calling it an asterisk or not until the WS is over and the Nats win it or not. If the effing Phillies win it, I know how I'll feel about it, especially in lieu of their annoying fans.

And then there's the strong possibility that MLB players are going to kneel during the anthem this season, how many who knows. If that happens, the Asterisk topic will be null and void for me. I'll flip them the bird and use my remote control to find other sh*t to watch. And wish they cancelled the entire season.


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Good article -- takes fair shots at both sides. Summarizes how we got here, where we could end up going, and explores the possibility of some vets just not playing in 2020.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id...-jeff-passan-breaks-mlb-ugly-labor-fight

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MLB Offer 1: 82 games, $1.03 billion guaranteed, $1.23 billion max
MLBPA Offer 1: 114 games, $2.86 billion guaranteed
MLB Offer 2: 76 games, $989 million guaranteed, $1.432 billion max
MLBPA Offer 2: 89 games, $2.24 billion guaranteed
MLB Offer 3: 72 games, $1.27 billion guaranteed, $1.5 billion max
MLBPA: We're not getting anywhere. Set the schedule.

"Neither of these parties negotiates that much," one person involved with the talks said. "It's clunky. It's like watching a bunch of old guys playing pickup basketball, throwing elbows, doing their juke moves. That's what makes it hard."


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Suppose those Redskins wins had come in a 4 or 5 game season. Not representative.


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Suppose those Redskins wins had come in a 4 or 5 game season. Not representative.



I don't care if they skip the whole regular season. If the Nats win the 2020 World Series ten years from now there is zero doubt that everyone in DC will include this year in the count of World Series championships. Banners are forever, the details fade away.

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I don't care if they skip the whole regular season.


They just might.

Passan called it before, and he's right: the 2 sides absolutely LOATHE each other, and it's only getting worse.

MLB commissioner Rob Manfred now less confident about 2020 season play
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Major League Baseball commissioner Rob Manfred told ESPN on Monday he's "not confident" there will be a 2020 baseball season and that "as long as there's no dialogue" with the MLB Players Association, "that real risk is going to continue."

In a conversation with Mike Greenberg for ESPN's "The Return of Sports" special, Manfred walked back comments made to ESPN last week, when he said "unequivocally we are going to play Major League Baseball this year" and pegged the likelihood at "100 percent."

"I'm not confident. I think there's real risk; and as long as there's no dialogue, that real risk is gonna continue," Manfred said when asked if he was confident there would be a season.

The chance that there will be no season increased substantially Monday when the commissioner's office told the players' association it will not proceed with a schedule unless the union waives its right to claim management violated a March agreement between the feuding sides, a source told ESPN, confirming a report by the Los Angeles Times.

"I had been hopeful that once we got to common ground on the idea that we were gonna pay the players' full prorated salary, that we would get some cooperation in terms of proceeding under the agreement that we negotiated with the MLBPA on March 26," Manfred told ESPN. "Unfortunately, over the weekend, while Tony Clark was declaring his desire to get back to work, the union's top lawyer was out telling reporters, players and eventually getting back to owners that as soon as we issued a schedule -- as they requested -- they intended to file a grievance claiming they were entitled to an additional billion dollars. Obviously, that sort of bad-faith tactic makes it extremely difficult to move forward in these circumstances."




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The players are pissed that Manfred flip flopped but they gave him no choice. When he said there will be a 48 game season several players indicated that they will sit it out, particularly anyone who will be a free agent this winter. Why would the owners do even a shortened season if a significant number of players won't show?

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A possible way forward?

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2020/06/resolving-this-player-owner-dispute-should-be-easy.html

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Unarguable Point A:

Any agreement should see the players earn substantially more than they would have in a 50-game season.

Unarguable Point B:

Any agreement should see owners make more profit than they would in a 50-game season.

Nothing floated publicly has even come close to meeting these simple criteria.

The starting point here is actually fairly simple. Forget about inching towards a middle ground when neither side is willing to budge. Instead, begin by figuring out just how much extra revenue is associated with 30 extra games and an expanded postseason. Then, split it in half. The players’ salary total is equal to that half plus their prorated salaries for 50 games. Both sides may try to argue for a bigger piece of the pie, but either side would be crazy to say no to half of this revenue—which is much more than the zero extra revenue they would see otherwise. The players don’t need the owners to open their books on any more than is necessary to estimate this amount. The owners don’t need to ask the players to sign any waivers or anything else that isn’t already negotiated. Anything on top of this baseline can be negotiated after setting the above in writing and shaking hands (but not actually).

Offers could get more complicated and cover more territory. This is especially true with the risk of no fans or fewer fans in 2021, and with the CBA expiring after 2021. But the essential 2020 issue can be resolved in a fairly simple manner that makes each side better off in the short term while limiting the long-term damage to the sport. In subsequent pieces, I’ll discuss the fundamentals of baseball’s free agent market and how players might want to approach the inequities that have arguably developed over the last couple years. But for now, let’s just agree that owners, players, and fans can all be made much better off very quickly. Get it done before dinnertime.


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More reasons why this baseball season will have the fattest asterisk ever - besides the shortened season, if large # of upcoming winter free agents bag the season, and if large #'s of players with fat contracts bag the season. The "playoffs" will be a joke. Yeah, I'll celebrate if the Nats win at all, but doesn't take away the fact that this season will be the biggest sham that I've ever seen in my life in any sport. When the Redskins won it all those 2 times, NFL ownership and labor weren't as immensely hateable as these 2 groups are now.


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Fauci "Would Avoid" Late October Baseball

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“If the question is time, I would try to keep it in the core summer months and end it not with the way we play the World Series, until the end of October when it’s cold. I would avoid that.”

Fauci emphasized that he wasn’t able to offer any certainties, saying that “this virus is one that keeps fooling us.” There’s obviously still quite a lot of science to be done on COVID-19.

But he made clear that he believes it likely the pandemic will worsen as the weather gets chillier. “Under most circumstances — but we don’t know for sure here — viruses do better when the weather starts to get colder and people start spending more time inside, as opposed to outside,” Fauci explains. “The community has a greater chance of getting infected.” There’d be added concern, he said, because of the potential “overlap between influenza and the possibility of a fall second [coronavirus] wave.”

This makes for an especially intriguing development given the ongoing grappling between the league and union over how long the 2020 season ought to extend. MLB has cited the very same concerns as Fauci now highlights in arguing against attempting play deep into the fall. But even its proposals have been premised on a typical October postseason. The player side hasn’t insisted on playing into November and beyond, telling the league of late that it’s ready to play “when and where” commissioner Rob Manfred orders. But the MLBPA position has generally been to offer up as much play as MLB wants to arrange (with full pro rata salary).

While Fauci’s viewpoints don’t represent specific constraints on the staging of ballgames, they’re sure to factor into the fraught public relations battle between ownership and labor. He has generally been supportive of resuming play, at least without fans in attendance, and has made clear he’s a big baseball fan who would love to see a 2020 campaign. It’s notable, too, that several key baseball states — Arizona, Texas, Florida, California — have already begun to exhibit worrying rises in COVID cases even at the outset of summer.


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Clearly the main problem is this: owners want fewer regular season games and more playoff games for profit purposes. With players it's the opposite. The late October deadline the owners have been imposing all along makes sense. They dont want a WS when players from 1 or both teams come down with Covid, which would effect (or completely wipe out) the remaining WS games. This is a mess, getting messier.

Btw Fauci weighs in on this NOW and not a month ago - ?!


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Manfred needs 23 owners (75%) to agree to a plan to start the season, rumors that came out yesterday is that at least six owners want to cancel the season. Could be just a negotiating tactic from the league. I'm not sure if it is the owners with high payrolls who depend on ticket sales or the small market owners who would want to cancel.

Peter Angelos has a history of going against his fellow owners I wonder if he would leak the list of teams.

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MLB sends 60-game offer to players as leaders meet

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Major League Baseball has sent a proposal for a 60-game season at full prorated pay to the MLB Players Association, sources told ESPN's Buster Olney on Wednesday.

No deal is done, but with MLB commissioner Rob Manfred and MLBPA executive director Tony Clark having met recently, the latest offer is seen as significant progress considering where the parties were a few days ago.

Under the proposal, the season would begin July 19, sources told Olney. Sources told ESPN's Jeff Passan that the offer includes an expanded playoff format.

Manfred confirmed in a statement that he and Clark met Tuesday, saying the session produced the framework of a deal.

"At my request, Tony Clark and I met for several hours yesterday in Phoenix," Manfred said Wednesday. "We left that meeting with a jointly developed framework that we agreed could form the basis of an agreement and subject to conversations with our respective constituents. I summarized that framework numerous times in the meeting and sent Tony a written summary today.

"Consistent with our conversations yesterday, I am encouraging the Clubs to move forward and I trust Tony is doing the same."

Sources told Passan that the players' union would waive its right to file a grievance in the most recent proposal from MLB.


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Sources told Passan that the players' union would waive its right to file a grievance in the most recent proposal from MLB.


Bingo.


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60 games at 100% salary is $370k per million, about 5% more than the owners offered two weeks ago. All that bitching and moaning for 5%.

Great news though. Play ball.

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I'm too tired to read all the details but the union appears to be blowing up the deal.

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The union wants more games and has held off on finalizing a deal for now, but this is closer than we've been for a few months.


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From Buster Olney:

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There are many on the players' side who think there should be greater owner concessions than 60 games at full pay, and additionally, some other long-term concessions that can help the players beyond this season. Some on players' side wondering: Isn't there more than this?


The Boras clients made a big show on Twitter of saying "When and where", asking Manfred to start the season. Well now that their union chief has made a deal they want more. 100% pay for 70 games would be $432K per million, a big step up from the $370k deal that was announced. Like Nancy Pelosi putting together a recovery package the players are trying to tack on a bunch of stuff that has nothing to do with getting this season started, they think they can use the crisis as leverage to get the other nice to haves that they have been wanting all along.

Also in this deal is the universal DH for 2020 and 2021, which most seem to think means that would become permanent. Probably inevitable but still crappy.

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For me, this is getting to be like when you're a party and you see 2 people you cant stand act like a-holes in front of everyone. And you enjoy watching every second of it.





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Well now that their union chief has made a deal they want more


In retrospect, looks like Clark never ok'd a deal. Re-reading Manfred's statements yesterday, they now look like lawyer rhetoric, in an attempt to look like the good guy and put pressure on the other side. He suggested that the new proposal meant they were close to a new deal. But the players rejected the offer before Manfred even made his comments to the media.

What Manfred went out of his way to say yesterday was interesting - we discussed a framework to move forward on, I summarized it with Tony, and then after the meeting I put everything in writing for Tony - wow, there's alot one can read into there. Why go into that minutae? To me it seems like he's maybe suggesting Clark is an idiot and is in over his head, or doesn't trust the guy, or both.


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Clark is just a puppet, the MLBPA should just let Boras negotiate directly with Manfred and get this over with.

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70 Game Counter-proposal by MLBPA -- includes a split of playoff revenues

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Following a four-hour negotiation in Phoenix between the leaders Tuesday, MLB emerged believing the framework of a deal had been agreed upon, sources told ESPN. The union disagreed with that accounting, and players Wednesday said they view the proposed 60-game schedule as too short.

Absent a deal, the league has the ability to implement a season of its desired length, likely around 50 games, per a March 26 agreement between the sides, a move that probably would lead to a grievance from the players. The union surveyed player leadership about the proper path forward, cognizant that its decision could sour owners and prompt the league to implement a season instead of coming to a negotiated agreement.

In the deal MLB proposed, players would be paid their full prorated salaries -- a total of $1.5 billion, or about 37% of their full-season salaries -- and would receive another $25 million for postseason play and $33 million in forgiveness on the $170 million advance they received in the March agreement.

The postseason would expand from 10 to 16 teams for the next two seasons, and a designated hitter would be added to the National League in both years. The league would donate $10 million to social justice initiatives and teams would be allowed to add advertisements to their uniforms, sources said.


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it seems like he's maybe suggesting Clark is an idiot and is in over his head, or doesn't trust the guy, or both.



He is. So is Manfred, BTW. Two peas in a pod. Both sides need new leadership.


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There are many on the players' side who think there should be greater owner concessions than 60 games at full pay, and additionally, some other long-term concessions that can help the players beyond this season. Some on players' side wondering: Isn't there more than this?


The Boras clients made a big show on Twitter of saying "When and where", asking Manfred to start the season. Well now that their union chief has made a deal they want more. 100% pay for 70 games would be $432K per million, a big step up from the $370k deal that was announced. Like Nancy Pelosi putting together a recovery package the players are trying to tack on a bunch of stuff that has nothing to do with getting this season started, they think they can use the crisis as leverage to get the other nice to haves that they have been wanting all along.

Also in this deal is the universal DH for 2020 and 2021, which most seem to think means that would become permanent. Probably inevitable but still crappy.



It looks like there was progress towards a deal. But no deal was in place, apparently.

I agree with you about the DH, BTW. But it does let the Nationals maximize Howie.


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"I told (Tony Clark) 70 games was simply impossible given the calendar and the public health situation, and he went ahead and made that proposal anyway,'' Manfred said.

"Dr. Fauci's out there telling us that football should [be] playing in a quarantine. The other two sports are playing in a quarantine," Manfred said, referring to plans for the NBA and NHL. "Our guys want nothing to do with that. No. 2, Fauci says we shouldn't be playing in October and their proposal contemplates lengthening the season."

MLB also does not want to bunch more games into the same time period.

"We told them we're not playing doubleheaders," Manfred said. "Our public health guys tell us you should not put people together for that number of hours in the day. It's not safe. But they just keep ignoring those things."

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"I told (Tony Clark) 70 games was simply impossible given the calendar and the public health situation, and he went ahead and made that proposal anyway,'' Manfred said.

"Dr. Fauci's out there telling us that football should [be] playing in a quarantine. The other two sports are playing in a quarantine," Manfred said, referring to plans for the NBA and NHL. "Our guys want nothing to do with that. No. 2, Fauci says we shouldn't be playing in October and their proposal contemplates lengthening the season."

MLB also does not want to bunch more games into the same time period.

"We told them we're not playing doubleheaders," Manfred said. "Our public health guys tell us you should not put people together for that number of hours in the day. It's not safe. But they just keep ignoring those things."

-- espn.com excerpt


5 Phillies players and 3 team staffers have tested positive for Covid.

Yet the union, which has been shedding crocodile tears to the media about player safety concern, has been risking player heath by proposing a 112 game season, pushing for Doubleheaders, and extending the season past October. Hey I'm risking my life bro by the way let's play 112 games I want what's mine.


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The Blue Jays also had a positive test and the Tampa Lightning, all of these teams in the Tampa area. The doomsday clock on the 2020 season is ticking close to midnight.

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Now a player from the Astros tested positive. June 19th might be the day that any hope for baseball in 2020 came to a crashing end.

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They should just compromise on 66. If you're sick, don't play. We'll put you on the injured list, give you service time, and bring up a player.

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Now a player from the Astros tested positive.


Let it be Bregman.

They share the same complex in Florida as the Nats, too. Lovely.

Last night Manfred told MLBPA that there will be no MLB counteroffer to the latest 70 game proposal by the players.


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Seems as though the owners considered the 60 game offer to be meeting half way. The players also want a bigger cut of the playoff pool so the owners could stick to 60 games and still increase the total offer.

The NBA and some other leagues are going with the bubble method to try to avoid the COVID, they have all of their players in the same hotels avoiding outside contact. The MLB players rejected the bubble, so it's about money for these guys not safety. Although MLB might go to a bubble for the playoffs when there is a limited number of teams and a limited time frame.

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It's being reported that MLB told the players that 60 is their best and final offer. No more negotiations. The MLBPA is voting on it this weekend, according to reports.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2020/06/mlbpa-to-vote-on-mlbs-60-game-proposal-this-weekend.html
https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/1274394925623361539
https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/1274120109691473920

According to the New York Post, the Yankees and Mets are going to hold "Spring Training II" in NYC.

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Seems as though the owners considered the 60 game offer to be meeting half way. The players also want a bigger cut of the playoff pool so the owners could stick to 60 games and still increase the total offer.


Which is an alternative the owners obviously dont prefer, but it may be better than dealing with a grievance filing by MLBPA if the 50 game season is enacted.


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Now a player from the Astros tested positive. June 19th might be the day that any hope for baseball in 2020 came to a crashing end.


As of yesterday 40 players and staff members of teams have tested positive.


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Jim Bowden called out the players on Twitter:

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Players said tell us #WhenandWhere

Players said they wanted full prorated salaries.

Owners responded with July 19th at home ball parks.

Owners responded with full prorated salaries and 60 games.

Players vote it down 33-5.

Commissioner now could implement 60 game schedule.


Expectation now is 60 games starting 7/29 and the players will file a grievance. I can't imagine how the players win that one considering that they are getting their full pro-rated salaries and the owners can point to the empty ballparks.

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The 2020 season is now slated to proceed under the terms of the late March agreement previously reached between MLB and the players’ association.

The league has issued an announcement stating that the owners unanimously agreed to launch the campaign after further negotiations with the players failed to result in a new deal.

The campaign “will definitely” be sixty games in length, according to Bob Nightengale of USA Today (Twitter link), though the league announcement doesn’t so specify. Rather, the announcement asks that the players inform the league as to the readiness to begin Spring Training (part deux) before assessing schedule length. It seems the season will go for sixty games so long as the players agree to report for preparation by the first of July.

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What a mess. It is starting to seem like the Boras clients want to blow up the season and the whole CBA so that they can gain control over the league.

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To date:

MLB Offer 1: 82 games, $1.03 billion guaranteed, $1.23 billion max
MLBPA Offer 1: 114 games, $2.86 billion guaranteed
MLB Offer 2: 76 games, $989 million guaranteed, $1.432 billion max
MLBPA Offer 2: 89 games, $2.24 billion guaranteed
MLB Offer 3: 72 games, $1.27 billion guaranteed, $1.5 billion max
MLBPA: We're not getting anywhere. Set the schedule, tell us when and where, etc...
MLB Offer 4: 60 games, $1.48 billion,full pro-rated pay, + $25 million playoff pool.
MLBPA Offer 4: Forget what we said about setting a schedule. No.


These negotiations started in the 3rd week of May -- 5 weeks ago.

MLBPA f***ed this up royally imo. First, the revenue demands they made were nowhere close to reality, and they never got close to getting them. Second, a 114 game regular season game demand with flu season starting in October -- what?? Couple things about the players: they A) had no effin care in the world about Covid popping up in Oct, and/or B) had no effin concern about the owners' getting in playoff games. And despite the fact that no fans would be allowed to buy tickets and spend $$ on concessions, the players arrogantly started out negotiations by saying Eff You we want 100% salaries.

If you look at which of the 2 sides continually flipped the finger at the other, it was the players. There are reports that the owners are STILL pissed off with Tony Clark apparently giving buying signals last week when instead it was just smoke. Not a good tone setter for 2021.

Neither of these sides did each other any favor. Instead of consistent eyeball-to-eyeball negotiations, they sat in their offices and banged out emails to each other, leaked proposals to the press before either side got them, and played mind games.


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Remember the 18-19 offseason when the free agent market crashed? I can't wait for the 20-21 offseason when the free agents are getting offers less than half of what they expected.

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...The realignment that sees each team play only within its own division and against the five teams of the corresponding division in the other league : The exact permutations of that scheduling arrangement could take a variety of forms (e.g. a pair of three-game series and one four-game series against divisional opponents, plus one four-game series against each of the five teams in the opposing league’s corresponding division), but the goal will be to generally limit travel schedules to the extent possible, not that it’s a perfect setup for all clubs. It’s not as though Seattle and Arlington are exactly next door, for instance.

Other changes may well be on the horizon. USA Today’s Bob Nightengale wrote over the weekend that the league and union had already agreed to begin extra innings with a runner on second base in an effort to avoid marathon games. (Pitchers would not be charged with an earned run if said runner scores.) They’ve also discussed the possibility of allowing already subbed-out players to reenter the game once it reaches extras and even discussed the possibility of ties in 2020, per Nightengale.

None of that is set in stone until the MLBPA formally agrees to the league’s health and safety protocols. While the ridiculous length and contentious nature of the scheduling half of return-to-play negotiations should caution against any assumptions that they’ll be approved without any pushback at all, we’ll get a better sense of where things stand by 5pm ET today.

-- mlbtraderumors.com excerpt


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More changes for this season per mlbtraderumors.com

MLB plans to implement 30-man rosters, up from 26, to start the season. However, the 30-man total will shrink to 28 on the 15th day of the season. It will go down to 26 on Day 29 and stay there for good.

The trade deadline is normally July 31, but expectations are that it will move to Aug. 31 this year.

A runner starting on second base in extra innings would only apply in the regular season, not the playoffs. The batter who made the final out in the previous inning would start extras on second.

MLB may decide to suspend games that don’t last at least five innings due to weather. In other words, they’ll remain in limbo until the teams are able to finish them at a later date.

Both pitchers and position players would likely have a 10-day injured list. For players who are seriously hurt, the 60-day IL would be cut to 45 days.
Three days before the resumption of spring training, teams have to submit lists of 60 players who will be eligible to play for them during the season (40-man rosters plus taxi squads). All players would not show up to spring training at the same time. They’d report on a “staggered” basis, and they’d be at the ballpark at different times.


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I think you have the right idea following mlbtraderumors, half of the Nats beat writers seem to have preferred the option of taking a year off.

That start date of 7/24 happens to be the one night this entire summer when I have plans. I might have to piss some family members off and watch on my phone.

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Originally Posted by PowerBoater69
That start date of 7/24 happens to be the one night this entire summer when I have plans.


The way it's going you may not be watching much that night. 7 Phillies players have tested positive with more tests on their players pending lab results. It's only gonna get worse across MLB. With players testing positive going into a 2 week quarantine that means the quality of baseball is gonna be funny to watch. Better than nothing I guess. Can imagine in September during pennant chases what it'll look like when you have teams with 7 or more players testing positive, quarantining, etc. Btw Charlie Blackmon just tested positive, first MLB "star" to catch it. Why couldnt it have been Snell.


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I think you have the right idea following mlbtraderumors, half of the Nats beat writers seem to have preferred the option of taking a year off.


Either that or they've been furloughed or had their hours slashed. Everyone knows how bad things have been over the years for the printed edition of newspapers, and the Covid thing has put a dagger into their digital sports page readership, which was never raking in the cash for them either.



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In a league with 1,200 players on the 40 man rosters and hundreds of coaches and trainers there would be positive tests even if every one of them was staying home. Every positive test has the media predicting that the whole season will collapse.

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Originally Posted by PowerBoater69
In a league with 1,200 players on the 40 man rosters and hundreds of coaches and trainers there would be positive tests even if every one of them was staying home. Every positive test has the media predicting that the whole season will collapse.


Over half the states are seeing Covid cases rising now. Since some NBA players are already bagging the rest of their season, we'll see if any MLB FA's-to-be just take off this season because 2 months of ball aint worth the risks -- plus some of these guys undoubtedly live in Florida, which is the country's new Covid epicenter:

Notable free agents for 2020-21:

Catcher: J.T. Realmuto, Mike Zunino, Yadier Molina
First base: Yuli Gurriel
Second base: Cesar Hernandez, DJ LeMahieu, Jurickson Profar, Daniel Murphy (mutual option)
Third base: Justin Turner, Zack Cozart, Jake Lamb, Marwin Gonzalez
Shortstop: Marcus Semien, Andrelton Simmons, Jonathan Villar
Outfield: Mookie Betts, George Springer, Yoenis Cespedes, Michael Brantley, Joc Pederson, Jackie Bradley Jr., Jay Bruce, Giancarlo Stanton (opt-out)
Designated hitter: Nelson Cruz
Starting pitchers: Corey Kluber (club option), Trevor Bauer, Robbie Ray, James Paxton, Masahiro Tanaka, Jake Arrieta (club option), Marcus Stroman, Jose Quintana
Relievers: Blake Treinen, Alex Colome, Andrew Miller (vesting option)

Nats FA's after this season -- about $44 million will come off the books for Uncle Teddy:

Anibal Sanchez 37 $12,000,000
Kurt Suzuki 37 $6,000,000
Adam Eaton 32 $10,500,000
Michael A. Taylor 30 $3,325,000
Asdrubal Cabrera $2,500,000
Sean Doolittle 34 $6,500,000
Ryan Zimmerman $2,000,000
Emilio Bonifacio CF $1,000,000


Full list here: https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/free-agents/2021/




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I had no idea Sanchez was that old, I'd want him to take a big pay cut or move on. He earned every penny in 2019 but he's too old for that salary.

Suzuki would be fine as long as we can get a #1 catcher for the majority of the games. He might need a pay cut too.

With Eaton I'd pick up his option (unless the FA market crashes).

Taylor, Cabrera and Zimmerman are all fine if they'll sign for the same price.

Doolittle is gone. He badly embarrassed ownership over paying the minor league guys. He might have been right but he publicly shamed Mark Lerner. I can't imagine the Nats making him a serious offer.

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They list Eaton as 32 but he does not turn 32 until this coming December. The ages they're listing might be for when those guys start playing the '21 season.

At their ages wonder how soon declining bat speed etc becomes a major factor on Suzuki, Zimm and Cabrera.


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Originally Posted by SilverFox1
At their ages wonder how soon declining bat speed etc becomes a major factor on Suzuki, Zimm and Cabrera.


The DH and the expanded rosters will lead to big changes in roster building. NL teams could not afford many one tool specialists with such short benches. Now they'll be able to have a power guy,a speed guy, a glove. The issue will be price, will guys with tens of millions in career earnings play for $1-2 million a year?

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Originally Posted by SilverFox1
Over half the states are seeing Covid cases rising now.


However, FWIW, the death rate is down, and so is the hospitalization rate in most places.


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No one in the prone Age of 60+ gives a shit about any of that. They just want to wear masks and hope like hell they dont catch it. Same with the players.


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Last week Doolittle tweeted:
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Hearing that 1200 players really want a season! Urgency for information on when and where so we can play baseball in 2020.


Yesterday his wife spent her day on Twitter complaining that MLB isn't giving players an opt out option on the season if they have family members with health concerns. Seems like it was the players who refused to rework the deal.

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Oh great. More of the "when and where" rhetoric.

Been to his Twitter page. Those 2 dingbats would be perfect co-hosting The View. Not sure which one would wear the dress.


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Nats Park vs Yankees on July 23 is the opener.

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Max vs Cole. Love it. Bring the trash cans, remind his ass of the old days.


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Originally Posted by SilverFox1
Max vs Cole. Love it. Bring the trash cans, remind his ass of the old days.


With no fans in the ballpark we could bang trash cans on the sidewalk on the 3rd base side and easily be heard on the field.

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That's the tough thing about this season. The Astros are going to get off damn easy.

Edit - in addition to Zimm, there are 3 other veteran UFA's this Fall who have accrued a nice financial nest due to their contracts + years of service: Suzuki, Cabrera, & Dollittle. Can't blame any of them if Covid spikes and they decide to bag the season. The question is, of the 3, which is the most important to the Nats' success this season? I'd go with Suzuki.


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