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Re: Possible Salary Reduction for Players [Re: PowerBoater69] #606164
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Originally Posted by PowerBoater69
Seems as though the owners considered the 60 game offer to be meeting half way. The players also want a bigger cut of the playoff pool so the owners could stick to 60 games and still increase the total offer.


Which is an alternative the owners obviously dont prefer, but it may be better than dealing with a grievance filing by MLBPA if the 50 game season is enacted.


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Re: Possible Salary Reduction for Players [Re: PowerBoater69] #606215
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Originally Posted by PowerBoater69
Now a player from the Astros tested positive. June 19th might be the day that any hope for baseball in 2020 came to a crashing end.


As of yesterday 40 players and staff members of teams have tested positive.


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Re: Possible Salary Reduction for Players [Re: SilverFox1] #606222
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Jim Bowden called out the players on Twitter:

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Players said tell us #WhenandWhere

Players said they wanted full prorated salaries.

Owners responded with July 19th at home ball parks.

Owners responded with full prorated salaries and 60 games.

Players vote it down 33-5.

Commissioner now could implement 60 game schedule.


Expectation now is 60 games starting 7/29 and the players will file a grievance. I can't imagine how the players win that one considering that they are getting their full pro-rated salaries and the owners can point to the empty ballparks.

Re: Possible Salary Reduction for Players [Re: SilverFox1] #606224
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The 2020 season is now slated to proceed under the terms of the late March agreement previously reached between MLB and the players’ association.

The league has issued an announcement stating that the owners unanimously agreed to launch the campaign after further negotiations with the players failed to result in a new deal.

The campaign “will definitely” be sixty games in length, according to Bob Nightengale of USA Today (Twitter link), though the league announcement doesn’t so specify. Rather, the announcement asks that the players inform the league as to the readiness to begin Spring Training (part deux) before assessing schedule length. It seems the season will go for sixty games so long as the players agree to report for preparation by the first of July.

-- mlbtraderumors.com


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Re: Possible Salary Reduction for Players [Re: SilverFox1] #606226
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What a mess. It is starting to seem like the Boras clients want to blow up the season and the whole CBA so that they can gain control over the league.

Re: Possible Salary Reduction for Players [Re: SilverFox1] #606228
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It may be time for Congress to pull the antitrust exemption and an entrepreneur to start a new league.


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Re: Possible Salary Reduction for Players [Re: SilverFox1] #606234
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To date:

MLB Offer 1: 82 games, $1.03 billion guaranteed, $1.23 billion max
MLBPA Offer 1: 114 games, $2.86 billion guaranteed
MLB Offer 2: 76 games, $989 million guaranteed, $1.432 billion max
MLBPA Offer 2: 89 games, $2.24 billion guaranteed
MLB Offer 3: 72 games, $1.27 billion guaranteed, $1.5 billion max
MLBPA: We're not getting anywhere. Set the schedule, tell us when and where, etc...
MLB Offer 4: 60 games, $1.48 billion,full pro-rated pay, + $25 million playoff pool.
MLBPA Offer 4: Forget what we said about setting a schedule. No.


These negotiations started in the 3rd week of May -- 5 weeks ago.

MLBPA f***ed this up royally imo. First, the revenue demands they made were nowhere close to reality, and they never got close to getting them. Second, a 114 game regular season game demand with flu season starting in October -- what?? Couple things about the players: they A) had no effin care in the world about Covid popping up in Oct, and/or B) had no effin concern about the owners' getting in playoff games. And despite the fact that no fans would be allowed to buy tickets and spend $$ on concessions, the players arrogantly started out negotiations by saying Eff You we want 100% salaries.

If you look at which of the 2 sides continually flipped the finger at the other, it was the players. There are reports that the owners are STILL pissed off with Tony Clark apparently giving buying signals last week when instead it was just smoke. Not a good tone setter for 2021.

Neither of these sides did each other any favor. Instead of consistent eyeball-to-eyeball negotiations, they sat in their offices and banged out emails to each other, leaked proposals to the press before either side got them, and played mind games.


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Re: Possible Salary Reduction for Players [Re: SilverFox1] #606235
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Remember the 18-19 offseason when the free agent market crashed? I can't wait for the 20-21 offseason when the free agents are getting offers less than half of what they expected.

Re: Possible Salary Reduction for Players [Re: SilverFox1] #606236
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...The realignment that sees each team play only within its own division and against the five teams of the corresponding division in the other league : The exact permutations of that scheduling arrangement could take a variety of forms (e.g. a pair of three-game series and one four-game series against divisional opponents, plus one four-game series against each of the five teams in the opposing league’s corresponding division), but the goal will be to generally limit travel schedules to the extent possible, not that it’s a perfect setup for all clubs. It’s not as though Seattle and Arlington are exactly next door, for instance.

Other changes may well be on the horizon. USA Today’s Bob Nightengale wrote over the weekend that the league and union had already agreed to begin extra innings with a runner on second base in an effort to avoid marathon games. (Pitchers would not be charged with an earned run if said runner scores.) They’ve also discussed the possibility of allowing already subbed-out players to reenter the game once it reaches extras and even discussed the possibility of ties in 2020, per Nightengale.

None of that is set in stone until the MLBPA formally agrees to the league’s health and safety protocols. While the ridiculous length and contentious nature of the scheduling half of return-to-play negotiations should caution against any assumptions that they’ll be approved without any pushback at all, we’ll get a better sense of where things stand by 5pm ET today.

-- mlbtraderumors.com excerpt


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Re: Possible Salary Reduction for Players [Re: SilverFox1] #606237
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More changes for this season per mlbtraderumors.com

MLB plans to implement 30-man rosters, up from 26, to start the season. However, the 30-man total will shrink to 28 on the 15th day of the season. It will go down to 26 on Day 29 and stay there for good.

The trade deadline is normally July 31, but expectations are that it will move to Aug. 31 this year.

A runner starting on second base in extra innings would only apply in the regular season, not the playoffs. The batter who made the final out in the previous inning would start extras on second.

MLB may decide to suspend games that don’t last at least five innings due to weather. In other words, they’ll remain in limbo until the teams are able to finish them at a later date.

Both pitchers and position players would likely have a 10-day injured list. For players who are seriously hurt, the 60-day IL would be cut to 45 days.
Three days before the resumption of spring training, teams have to submit lists of 60 players who will be eligible to play for them during the season (40-man rosters plus taxi squads). All players would not show up to spring training at the same time. They’d report on a “staggered” basis, and they’d be at the ballpark at different times.


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