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A History of Rizzo's Trades (MLBTradeRumors.com) #604766
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Expectations weren’t all that lofty when Mike Rizzo took over D.C. baseball operations back in 2009. It’s safe to say he has exceeded them. His first roster matched the ’08 outfit with a brutal 59-win effort. That ramped to 69-93 and then 80-81 in the ensuing two seasons. The Nats broke out in 2012 and haven’t had a losing campaign since. There has been quite a lot of drama over the years, but the D.C. organization finally broke through a postseason curse with a stunning run to a title in 2019.

Rizzo’s history on the trade market includes some duds, but also quite a few slam dunks. He’s still not under contract beyond the 2020 season, though the expectation remains that he’ll end up working out another extension to remain at the helm.

2009 Season

Acquired RHP Logan Kensing from the Marlins for RHP Kyle Gunderson
Acquired 1B/OF Mike Morse from the Mariners for OF Ryan Langerhans
Acquired LHP Sean Burnett and OF Nyjer Morgan from the Pirates for OF Lastings Milledge and RHP Joel Hanrahan
Acquired LHP Aaron Johnson from the Marlins for 1B Nick Johnson
Acquired RHPs Ryan Mattheus and Robinson Fabian from the Rockies for LHP Joe Beimel
Acquired OFs Daryle Ward and Norris Hopper from the White Sox for cash
Acquired RHP Luis Garcia and a PTBNL (LHP Victor Garante) from the Dodgers for INF Ronnie Belliard
Acquired C Jamie Burke from the Mariners for cash

2009-10 Offseason

Acquired RHP Brian Bruney from the Yankees in exchange for Rule 5 pick Jamie Hoffman

2010 Season

Acquired C Wilson Ramos and LHP Joe Testa from the Twins for RHP Matt Capps
Acquired RHPs Tanner Roark & Ryan Tatusko from the Rangers for INF Cristian Guzman
Acquired SS Brian Bixler from the Pirates for cash

2010-11 Offseason

Acquired RHP Henry Rodriguez and OF Corey Brown from the Athletics for OF Josh Willingham
Acquired LHP Tom Gorzelanny from the Cubs for RHP A.J. Morris, LHP Graham Hicks and OF Michael Burgess
Acquired RHP Adam Olbrychowski from the Yankees for OF Justin Maxwell
Acquired INF/OF Cutter Dykstra and cash from the Brewers for OF Nyjer Morgan
Acquired RHP Erik Davis and cash from the Padres in exchange for INF Alberto Gonzalez

2011 Season

Acquired OF Gregor Blanco from the Royals for cash
Acquired OF Jonny Gomes and cash from the Reds for OF Bill Rhinehart and LHP Chris Manno
Acquired SS Zach Walters from the Diamondbacks for RHP Jason Marquis
Acquired OF Erik Komatsu from the Brewers for INF/OF Jerry Hairston Jr.

2011-12 Offseason

Acquired RHP Ryan Perry from the Tigers for RHP Collin Balester
Acquired LHP Gio Gonzalez and RHP Robert Gilliam from the Athletics for RHPs A.J. Cole and Brad Peacock, C Derek Norris and LHP Tommy Milone

2012 Season

Acquired C Kurt Suzuki and cash from the Athletics for C David Freitas

2012-13 Offseason

Acquired OF Denard Span from the Twins for RHP Alex Meyer
Acquired RHPs A.J. Cole and Blake Treinen and LHP Ian Krol from the Athletics in a three-team deal that sent 1B/OF Mike Morse from the Nats to the Mariners and C John Jaso from the Mariners to the Athletics

2013 Season

Acquired RHP Ian Dickson from the Cubs for RHP Henry Rodriguez
Acquired OF Scott Hairston from the Cubs for RHP Ivan Pineyro
Acquired OF David DeJesus from the Cubs for cash
Acquired LHP Matthew Spann from the Rays for OF David DeJesus
Acquired RHP Dakota Bacus from the Athletics for C Kurt Suzuki

2013-14 Offseason

Acquired OF John Wooten from the Athletics for LHP Fernando Abad
Acquired RHP Doug Fister from the Tigers for LHP Robbie Ray, INF Steve Lombardozzi and LHP Ian Krol
Acquired LHP Jerry Blevins from the Athletics for OF Billy Burns
Acquired C Jose Lobaton, LHP Felipe Vazquez and OF Drew Vettleson from the Rays for RHP Nate Karns
Acquired INF Brandon Laird from the Royals for cash

2014 Season

Acquired 2B/SS Asdrubal Cabrera from the Indians for SS Zach Walters
Acquired LHP Matt Thornton from Yankees for cash

2014-15 Offseason

Acquired RHP Abel De Los Santos and INF Chris Bostick from the Rangers for LHP Ross Detwiler
Acquired SS Trea Turner (as a PTBNL) and RHP Joe Ross from the Padres in three-team deal that sent OF Steven Souza Jr. and LHP Travis Ott to the Rays
Acquired INF Yunel Escobar from the Athletics for RHP Tyler Clippard
Acquired C Dan Butler from the Red Sox for LHP Daniel Rosenbaum
Acquired OF Matt den Dekker from the Mets for LHP Jerry Blevins
2015 Season

Acquired OF Darin Mastroianni from the Phillies for cash
Acquired RHP David Carpenter from the Yankees for INF Tony Renda
Acquired RHP Jonathan Papelbon from the Phillies for RHP Nick Pivetta

2015-16 Offseason

Acquired RHPs Trevor Gott and Michael Brady from the Angels for INF Yunel Escobar and cash
Acquired OF Ben Revere from the Blue Jays for RHP Drew Storen

2016 Season

Acquired LHP Marc Rzepczynski from the Athletics for INF Max Shrock
Acquired C Taylor Gushue from the Pirates for SS Chris Bostick

2016-17 Offseason

Acquired RHP Jimmy Cordero from the Phillies for a PTBNL (RHP Mario Sanchez)
Acquired C Derek Norris from the Padres for RHP Pedro Avila
Acquired OF Adam Eaton from the White Sox for RHPs Lucas Giolito, Reynaldo Lopez and Dane Dunning
Acquired RHPs Austin L. Adams and Kyle McGowin from the Angels for 2B/SS Danny Espinosa
Acquired LHP Enny Romero from the Rays for RHP Jeffrey Rosa
Acquired OF Ryan Raburn from the White Sox for cash

2017 Season

Acquired LHP Sean Doolittle and RHP Ryan Madson from the Athletics for RHP Blake Treinen, LHP Jesus Luzardo and 2B Sheldon Neuse
Acquired INF Howie Kendrick and cash from the Phillies for LHP McKenzie Mills and international bonus pool space
Acquired RHP Brandon Kintzler from the Twins in exchange for LHP Tyler Watson and $500K of international bonus pool space

2017-18 Offseason

Acquired INF Matt Reynolds from the Mets for cash

2018 Season

Acquired RHP Kelvin Herrera from the Royals for 3B Kelvin Gutierrez, OF Blake Perkins and RHP Yohanse Morel
Acquired RHP Jacob Condra-Bogan from the Royals for OF Brian Goodwin
Acquired RHP Jhon Romero from the Cubs for RHP Brandon Kintzler
Acquired INF Andruw Monasterio from the Cubs for 2B Daniel Murphy and cash
Acquired RHP Andrew Istler from the Dodgers for Ryan Madson
Acquired C/1B KJ Harrison and INF Gilbert Lara from the Brewers in exchange for LHP Gio Gonzalez and $250K of international bonus pool space

2018-19 Offseason

Acquired RHP Kyle Barraclough from the Marlins for $1MM of international bonus pool space
Acquired C Yan Gomes from the Indians for RHP Jefry Rodriguez, OF Daniel Johnson and a PTBNL (INF Andruw Monasterio)
Acquired RHP Tanner Rainey from the Reds for RHP Tanner Roark

2019 Season

Acquired LHP Nick Wells from the Mariners for RHP Austin L. Adams
Acquired RHP Daniel Hudson from the Blue Jays for RHP Kyle Johnston
Acquired LHP Roenis Elias from the Mariners for LHP Taylor Guilbeau and RHP Elvis Alvarado
Acquired RHP Hunter Strickland from the Mariners for LHP Aaron Fletcher

2019-20 Offseason

Acquired RHP Ryne Harper from the Twins in exchange for RHP Hunter McMahon







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Boswell said yesterday that the Gio trade was Rizzo's finest hour. No qualms with that. But the trade netting Trea Turner and Joe Ross deal was a steal, too. And if Turner's career continues to flourish that could end up being Rizzo's best one imo.


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You would expect that Rizzo "won" the early trades because the Nats were long term building and happy to trade talent for prospects. The more recent trades were tougher because the Nats are in win now mode so we've been on the other side, giving up guys like Giolito and Pivetta with big potential in order to try to win rings.

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Excellent, on the whole, although there are a couple of stinkers. But every GM has a couple of those.


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Acquired RHP Logan Kensing from the Marlins for RHP Kyle Gunderson --- nothing for nothing, Gunderson never made the majors and Kensing had a -.9 WAR in less than a season with the Nats.

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Acquired 1B/OF Mike Morse from the Mariners for OF Ryan Langerhans --- Huge win for Rizzo, 5.6 WAR for Morse in 3+ years with the Nats, he was one of the biggest stars in the 2012 playoff run and one of the most popular players on the team. Morse even added a lot more value when he was traded after 2012. Langerhans had a .2 WAR under the contract at the time of the trade and not much better after he was re-signed.

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Acquired LHP Sean Burnett and OF Nyjer Morgan from the Pirates for OF Lastings Milledge and RHP Joel Hanrahan --- The one was mostly a wash, a small loss for Rizzo, 6.2 WAR gained, 6.5 lost.

Burnett was the big pick-up, he gave the Nats 4.6 WAR with tons of game action over 3+ years, ending with a not so great 2012 playoffs.
Morgan was one of the most interesting stories in Nats history, he was over-valued by the fan base in 2009, he was so popular that the team had a bobblehead for him in 2010. But that second season he clashed with Werth and made a couple of the most legendary bone-head plays in team history. He ended up with a not so horrible for the price 1.6 WAR but left town as one of the least popular players to wear the curly W.

Hanrahan balked in the winning run in one of his last appearances in DC, he was terrible here. In Pittsburgh he had a 5.5 WAR in 3+ seasons.
Milledge got unfairly grouped with Elijah Dukes while he was in DC. Dukes was a thug, Milledge was just a loudmouth. In spring training 2009 I sat in front of some groupies who called him "Long Lastings". For the Pirates he played a little better than he did here, but still a largely wasted talent. 1 WAR in just over one season.

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Acquired LHP Aaron Johnson from the Marlins for 1B Nick Johnson --- Nothing for almost nothing. Nick Johnson had an .890 OPS in a quarter season for the Marlins, then was granted free agency. Aaron Johnson was picked up off of waivers before making to the majors with the Nats.

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Acquired RHPs Ryan Mattheus and Robinson Fabian from the Rockies for LHP Joe Beimel --- Kind of a win/win for both teams. Beimel ended up appearing in three playoff games for the Rockies that season, not a huge contributor, but he was acquired for the post-season and he did OK. Fabian never made the majors. Mattheus had a not so special 1.3 WAR in 3+ seasons, but did manage to pick up the win in the Nats first ever playoff game in 2012.

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Acquired OFs Daryle Ward and Norris Hopper from the White Sox for cash --- Good sale by the ChiSox, neither player made the team.

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Acquired RHP Luis Garcia and a PTBNL (LHP Victor Garante) from the Dodgers for INF Ronnie Belliard --- Minor win for LA. Belliard had a great 5 HR September for the Dodgers, then zero extra base hits in 30 playoff at bats. Garante was terrible in four games and never made it back to the majors. Garcia was released by the Nats.

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Acquired C Jamie Burke from the Mariners for cash --- He had a .267 OPS in seven games. Not worth a bucket of balls.

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So lots of moves by Rizzo in his first season but only two trades of note, one was his first signature big win and one tie.

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2017 Season -- Acquired LHP Sean Doolittle and RHP Ryan Madson from the Athletics for RHP Blake Treinen, LHP Jesus Luzardo and 2B Sheldon Neuse.

Update on this trade today from MLBTradeRumors.com. Excerpt:

Luzardo’s a former Tommy John surgery patient who missed most of last season with rotator cuff and lat troubles, but the results were scintillating when he was able to pitch. He made his major league debut late in the year out of the A’s bullpen and proceeded to fire 12 innings of two-run ball with 16 strikeouts, three walks and just five hits given up. The A’s will obviously hope for that dominance to carry over when he joins their rotation.

Neuse, 25, is not an elite farmhand, but there’s still hope for him to amount to something in the bigs. He had difficulty over his first 61 MLB plate appearances last year, though he was terrific in Triple-A ball, where he batted .317/.389/.550 (126 wRC+) with 27 home runs in 560 PA. MLB.com is bullish on Neuse, rating him sixth in the A’s system and writing that he “could be a big league regular in another organization, but for now looks like a very solid super-utility type whose bat will force its way into the lineup more often than not.”

Assessing this trade now, it looks like a win-win. The Nationals would love to have Luzardo vying for a spot in their already stacked rotation, and they probably wouldn’t mind having Neuse around to push for playing time. But you can’t take away the championship Doolittle helped them win. On the other side, the A’s received an unforgettable season from Treinen and could have one or two long-term contributors in Luzardo and Neuse.


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Originally Posted by PowerBoater69
Acquired C Jamie Burke from the Mariners for cash --- He had a .267 OPS in seven games. Not worth a bucket of balls.


It was just cash, though. For a bit of cash, it was worth what little they got.


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The Nats show up four times in a list of pairs of teams that have gone the longest without a trade. The second longest trade drought overall is DC and Baltimore, the last swap was when the team was in Montreal in 2001. Our last trade with Houston was back in the Bowden days, in 2007, you would think that two teams that see each other every spring would make a deal (although I hear that the ownership groups hate each other since they've become partners in Palm Beach). The last DBacks trade was in 2011, surprising since Rizzo is known for bringing in guys he drafted there, they probably don't want to get robbed. The last trade with the Rangers was 2014.

In each of these four cases it was pretty much a nothing for nothing result.


https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-teams-longest-trade-droughts

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From @MLBPipeline:

The #Nats are the favorites to sign 16-year-old Dominican shortstop Armando Cruz, perhaps the best defender in the international class.

Cruz is No. 4 on the 2020 Top 30 International Prospects list: https://t.co/vdOj3L1PM9 https://t.co/F6t4OAalIS

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Gotta give Rizzo and The Lerners credit re: not re-signing Jordan Zimmermann (whether they wanted to or not).

Most fans were jumping off cliffs at the thought of JZ leaving DC back then, but sometimes the best deals are the ones that do not happen -- dude has tumbled badly while in Detroit. If the Nats had signed him to a fat contract, than they later on cannot sign Corbin, and they do not win (or even get to) the World Series. Corbin performed in the WS in a way JZ could not have matched. Excerpt from MLBTradeRumors.com :

"(Jordan) Zimmermann has always put in the effort but hasn’t had the results since moving to Detroit. He gave the Nationals over a thousand frames of 3.32 ERA ball, setting the stage for a $110MM deal with the Tigers. But Zimmermann has struggled with injuries and has limped to a brutal 5.61 ERA in his 508 2/3 innings over the past four seasons.

Zimmermann is owed $25MM for the 2020 campaign, though he’s likely to earn only a portion of that due to the shortened season. He no longer has full no-trade rights — he can block deals to all but ten teams — so it’s possible he could be moved during the season if he’s able to bounce back."


Spending all that dough and getting an average ERA of 5.61 over 4 years. Tigers prob think they coulda saved over a $100 million by just calling up schmucks from their AA team over the past 4 seasons, who woulda pitched better than that.


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Rizzo was dead on picking Strasburg over Zimmermann. Probably my worst take in the 15 years since the Nats came to DC was declaring that Zimmermann was the better choice to sign long term. From 2012-2015 JZ had a 16.2 WAR to SS's 11.3, so Jordan had been the better pitcher over the prior four years. Stras had a slightly better ERA but Zimnn had a shitload more innings pitched. Zimmermann looked to be what Scherzer eventually proved to be, a workhorse who would never tire or be affected by age. Good thing I wasn't GM at that time.

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I never thought J-Zimm was better than Strasburg, but I'll admit that I'm surprised at how poorly he has done for Detroit.


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Originally Posted by PowerBoater69
Rizzo was dead on picking Strasburg over Zimmermann. Probably my worst take in the 15 years since the Nats came to DC was declaring that Zimmermann was the better choice to sign long term. From 2012-2015 JZ had a 16.2 WAR to SS's 11.3, so Jordan had been the better pitcher over the prior four years. Stras had a slightly better ERA but Zimnn had a shitload more innings pitched. Zimmermann looked to be what Scherzer eventually proved to be, a workhorse who would never tire or be affected by age. Good thing I wasn't GM at that time.


I think everyone felt the same way you did. If you asked someone 4-5 years ago which of the 2 pitchers would eventually (and consistently) work deep into games, stay healthy, not get rattled, and have a bulldog mentality, JZ would have been the runaway choice. Back then there stories that JZ was intensely competitive, while Strasburg looked like one of these kids who was so gifted and dominant at an early age that he never learned how to deal with being tested, struggled with it, and would maybe never get over that hump. Damn glad I was wrong.


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Looked back at a piece Boswell did just after Jordan Zimmermann signed with Detroit. It makes Rizzo look even smarter. Apparently the Nats pursued re-signing him but were NOT overly aggressive due to worries about Zimmermann being in Year 6 after TJ surgery, and health concerns about how that arm would up. Was that the time being honest, or were they trying to save face because they lost him? Who knows. Either way, chalk up another one for Rizz.


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Looked back at a piece Boswell did just after Jordan Zimmermann signed with Detroit. It makes Rizzo look even smarter. Apparently the Nats pursued re-signing him but were NOT overly aggressive due to worries about Zimmermann being in Year 6 after TJ surgery, and health concerns about how that arm would up. Was that the time being honest, or were they trying to save face because they lost him? Who knows. Either way, chalk up another one for Rizz.



I thought about that when they extended Strasburg, based on the rule applied to JZ Stras' arm is a time bomb.

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As excellent as Rizzo's record is, can you imagine if they still had Giolito and Luzardo?


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The Nats’ Amazing Run Of First Round Draft Picks

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Let’s start with the obvious: it was easy for the Nationals to select Stephen Strasburg and Bryce Harper with the first overall picks of the 2009 and 2010 drafts, respectively. And the team was quite fortunate that its low point in the standings coincided with the appearance of two slam-dunk talents.

But that doesn’t mean it was easy for new GM Mike Rizzo to get those two Scott Boras clients under contract. Both went down to the wire. Strasburg finally agreed to terms after talk of $50MM demands. Harper, who was chosen the day before Strasburg’s memorable MLB debut, also waited until just before midnight on deadline day to get his deal done. Both commanded record-setting numbers.

The trick there was less one of talent evaluation than of relationship management and negotiating prowess. Tamping down the costs, ensuring the players came into the organization, and avoiding any long-term tensions were the priorities. Mission accomplished.

But that’s not the extent of the Nats’ remarkable run of first-round success. Let’s consider the organization’s entire stretch of selections between 2009 and 2012. By that point, the team was enjoying enough success on the field that it punted its ensuing first-rounder through the qualifying offer system.

2009 (1st overall): Stephen Strasburg
2009 (10th overall): Drew Storen
2010 (1st overall): Bryce Harper
2011 (6th overall): Anthony Rendon
2011 (23rd overall): Alex Meyer
2011 (34th overall): Brian Goodwin
2012 (16th overall): Lucas Giolito
Every single one of those players reached the majors for at least three seasons, which is an accomplishment in and of itself. More importantly, those drafts have collectively produced four players that have turned in one or more superstar-level campaigns. While all the selections haven’t all shaken out quite as hoped, and the Nats have cashed some in via trade, the net is remarkable.

Strasburg: 3x All-Star, 3x top-10 Cy Young voting, 32.3 rWAR
Storen: 334 innings, 3.02 ERA, 95 saves, 5.2 rWAR
Harper: 6x All-Star, 2015 MVP, 27.5 rWAR
Rendon: 1x All-Star, 4x top-10 MVP voting, 29.1 rWAR
Meyer: considered a top prospect when he was traded for Denard Span; career derailed by injury
Goodwin: traded away after marginal contributions in D.C.; 2.2 rWAR in 2019 with Angels
Giolito: 2019 All-Star, 6th in Cy Young voting; traded (with Reynaldo Lopez and 2016 first-round pick Dane Dunning) for Adam Eaton
Obviously, the bulk of the benefit to the Nats comes from the major stars that spent all of their arbitration-eligible seasons in D.C. Though Rendon has followed Harper in bolting for other teams via free agency, the Nationals enjoyed many cost-efficient prime years.

Then there’s Giolito, the one that got away — sort of. It’s easy to fixate on the fact that Eaton hasn’t been as productive as hoped, due in no small part to injury. But he has been a useful player and was quite valuable at the time of the swap due to his consistent productivity and highly affordable contract. The return on the 16th overall draft selection used to nab Giolito was quite good, all things considered. That’s bolstered by the fact that Giolito has now finally emerged as a star with the White Sox.

What of the others? Well, if you could go back in time, you might just take a chance on a different player from that 2009 draft class rather than grabbing Storen. But the collegiate closer did deliver more or less what was asked of him, running quickly to the majors and providing years of good service at the back end of the Nats’ bullpen — albeit on quite the roller-coaster ride — before he was swapped out in a deal that didn’t turn out for either team.

The Meyer trade worked out swimmingly. He had developed into a quality, near-majors prospect at the time, allowing the Nats to turn him into what became three highly productive seasons from Span. The center fielder contributed 8.4 rWAR during his time in the nation’s capital. Meyer seemed poised to realize some of his potential before longstanding injury concerns finally got him for good and forced an early retirement.

Goodwin is by some measures the biggest disappointment, but it’s generally hard to expect too much from a sandwich-round selection. He provided some useful action to the Nats for a while but never locked down a real opportunity in D.C. But Goodwin was and remains at least a useful fourth outfielder type. Last year, he turned in 458 plate appearances of .262/.326/.470 hitting with the Angels. It’s still possible he’ll end up turning in more significant contributions in the years to come, though they won’t redound to the Nationals’ benefit.

What of the next several seasons after sitting out that 2013 draft? Well, Erick Fedde was tabbed by some as a Giolito-like mid-round steal who fell due to health concerns. He has reached the bigs and remains a factor but hasn’t yet fully established himself. Dunning, shipped out with Giolito, has big talent but is also dealing with health woes. That was still a strong pick, as was fellow 2016 first-rounder Carter Kieboom, who is viewed as one of the game’s best overall prospects. More recently, the Nats selected hurlers Seth Romero and Mason Denaburg, who feature among top ten org prospects.

It doesn’t seem remotely likely that the latest run of selections will have anything close to the impact of the 2009-12 crop. But Rizzo and co. were working with much loftier draft selections in those days. And they set an impossibly high standard, even accounting for the advantages of the early selections. Any way you cut it, the Nats secured value exceeding 100 wins above replacement — whether directly or as acquired by trade — in those four years of first-round drafts.


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At this point, the Giolito-Eaton deal is a draw, imo. Eaton was a clutch vet who played a key part in The Nats winning the World Series, on the field and in the clubhouse, too. If The Nats kept Giolito who knows if the kid could handle the pressure -- we'll never know because he aint ever gonna face playoff/World Series pressure in a White Sox uniform. OTH, Giolito finished 6th in the Cy Young vote -- Eaton is excellent, but he'll never finish as a Top 6 OF'er. If The Nats never won a WS than I'd say Chicago got the better of the deal, especially with Giolito's youth. Glad Rizz made this trade. Might think differently a few years from now.


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Looked back at a piece Boswell did just after Jordan Zimmermann signed with Detroit. It makes Rizzo look even smarter. Apparently the Nats pursued re-signing him but were NOT overly aggressive due to worries about Zimmermann being in Year 6 after TJ surgery, and health concerns about how that arm would up. Was that the time being honest, or were they trying to save face because they lost him? Who knows. Either way, chalk up another one for Rizz.



I thought about that when they extended Strasburg, based on the rule applied to JZ Stras' arm is a time bomb.


Back then there were theories that The Nats had a clubhouse problem because there were too many sulking introverts (Strasburg, JZimmermann, and others). So with that + the Tommy John thing than maybe losing JZ was what it was and you deal with it. But not sure I buy into all of that. There's that old saying that winning fixes most chemistry issues. Long list of teams who've won championships with chemistry issues.


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I always felt that the clubhouse issues were a result of upper management (Rizzo) treating the managers (primariliy Riggleman and Williams) like place holders, allowing a player like Werth to really run the team. This led to the Nats under achieving for years until the departures of Werth and Harper allowed for a more fun team vibe.

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2012-13 Offseason -- Acquired OF Denard Span from the Twins for RHP Alex Meyer.

MLBTradeRumors talked about this today. Always wondered what happened to Alex Meyer, he was a hotshot young pitcher with a high ceiling. Ended up with persistent arm issues and never made it. Another plus trade for Rizzo.


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