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Some rough figures on COVID #604746
13/04/2020 09:53
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Compared to biggest European countries, we fall in the middle. I divided total cases by latest population.

U.S, 558,000 cases have infected about 1.70% of the population

France: 2.03 % infected
UK 1.3% but had 4,300 new cases as opposed to 4,000 in U.S.which has almost 4 x the population
Germany 1.52% infected
Italy and Spain-way more.
Russia-much better than anybody if you believe their numbers .0012%-ha ha-I don't count them.

So we are third-lowest among top 6 despite having a terrible president, no testing and not having enlightened socialist medicine like these countries.Not bad


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Re: Some rough figures on COVID [Re: mikezpen] #604747
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Without testing....there's no basis....


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Re: Some rough figures on COVID [Re: mikezpen] #604759
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The five biggest countries in Europe combined have about the population of the United States, and we have fewer cases and fewer deaths than those five countries.


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Re: Some rough figures on COVID [Re: mikezpen] #604770
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Must be a mistake. We know that things are so much better when governments, using enlightened socialist principles, organize everything in medicine.


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Government needs to get out of the way.


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Re: Some rough figures on COVID [Re: mikezpen] #604814
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I think we'll learn from this. There w/b improvements in the way federal and local governments work together, some stockpiling, etc.But I can name you 3 European countries with socialist medical systems that are doing worse than we are. Single-payer is not somehow the answer to all of this.


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Re: Some rough figures on COVID [Re: mikezpen] #604816
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Socialized medicine will only make it worse. The reasons we had shortages of masks and tests and other supplies was government regulation. We don't need more of what made it worse.


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Re: Some rough figures on COVID [Re: mikezpen] #605282
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There is something fishy going on with this disese that is now infecting children and young adults.First the covid 19 virus didn't infect children much and now we have another "problem" that is infecting them with different symptoms. I don't think this is somehow natural. It looks like both of these virus may have gotten out of a lab.

It's just strange how TWO different diseases are hitting us at about the same time infecting TWO different sets of people. It just doesn't add up to being random and natural.


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Re: Some rough figures on COVID [Re: mikezpen] #605283
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https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?utm_campaign=homeAdUOA?Si

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

These chats show some interesting things. In terms of percentages of population affected by the disease. America has one of the highest rates of COVID among the industrialized countries. That could be because of our high mobility rate, lack of widespread testing and the fact that we aren't overly fond of Covid restrictions. HOWEVER, we have one of the lowest death rates in terms of percentage of population.In other words, if you do get sick here, and you come into contact with America's supposedly backward medical system, you have a better chance of survival than in most other industrial countries. All the major European countries-the ones with nationalized medicine-(except Germany) do far worse than us.I don't count Russia and China, particularly the latter, whose statistics are (I believe)suspect. Early on, Sanders said we aren't doing well because we don't have socialized medicine.

Haven't heard much from him lately.










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Re: Some rough figures on COVID [Re: mikezpen] #605303
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It would be interesting to have a non-ideological conversation about Covid 19.

Some comments and thoughts.

Question for mike. What is different about Germany? It is a little less dense. And the stereotype is that people there obey the rules.

It is clear from centuries of history that diseases are transmitted more easily where the population is denser.
The US is a lot less dense than western Europe. Hence we have a natural advantage over our fellow countries, no matter how good or bad prevention measures.they or we practice.
Going back to ancient Rome, through the Philadelphia Yellow Fever outbreak in 1793 that killed a tenth of the city, people who could flee crowded cities did so in times of epidemic. Makes sense to me.

The worst hit locations here, to the best of my memory, are NYC and Detroit. See above.

My sister drove up from her home in rural NC and spent the night with us, as she had some personal business. Originally my wife was apprehensive, even though sis traveled with her own food and only stopped for gas.
Then my wife looked at the stats. The incidence in the rural county where my sister lives is one in more than 1,900 - and my wife decided that it was okay.

We can debate the relevance of stories about the effectiveness - or lack of - prevention measures. In spite of what seem to me to be wacko unscientific theories as to the origin of the virus, it is clear from actual studies of specific transmission, that it was spread from Wuhan Province in China to travelers elsewhere. Although I have a great skepticism about Chinese figures, they say that the first death was in Wuhan on Jan. 11., the second on Jan. 17. The WHO recorded the first non-China case in Thailand, on Jan 19. in a traveler from Wuhan. The Chinese quarantined and cut off Wuhan and two other cities in Hubei Province on Jan. 23.

On Jan. 30 the WHO declared the virus a global emergency. Within a few days, new cases were confirmed in India, Philippines, Russia, Spain, Sweden and the United Kingdom, Australia, Canada, Germany, Japan, Singapore, the US, the UAE and Vietnam.
The earliest cases were clearly transmitted directly from Wuhan.

The number of infections passed 82,000 worldwide on February 27, including more than 2,800 deaths.

Again, while skeptical of Chinese figures, it seems their dictatorial shutdown was effective in limiting spread, moreso than measures taken elsewhere. Dictatorial measures are more difficult here.

The more contacts the greater chance of infection. Effects on the economy are obviously serious/horrendous. You have your personal priorities and I have mine. Balancing importances? At the very least, there is disagreement.

In the US, I believe that some cities and states (editorial comment - thank you governor DeWine) through early action have done better than others. I won't cite them as the purpose of this screed is not to debate relative effectiveness, and it certainly is clear that different places have different situations, some more susceptible to the emergency than others.

It does occur to me that if his profession did not require travel and contact, martin and family would probably be the safest of any posters here. Or perhaps the departed Webley Webster, as his abode is definitely rural.

My kids work from home. and shop by delivery. Doesn't stop all theoretical dangers, but they are safer than I, who goes to stores masked and gloved.

Rambling. Any non-controversial thoughts?





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