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Re: Some rough figures on COVID [Re: mikezpen] #605356
29/05/2020 09:11
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Here is the article I mentioned earlier. I had not posted it previously because it is quite long and since it starts by lauding Seattle's actions, and then panning that of the Trump Administration I doubted that those suffering from Ideological Filtering Disorder would actually read the entire thing. But try. It is from the New Yorker so it concentrates on actions there.
When it gets to NYState and NYC it absolutely trashes the political, non medical actions of those two chief executives. So read it if you can.
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Re: Some rough figures on COVID [Re: mikezpen] #605368
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A few things wrong with the article:

The president has done a good job of managing the supply chain to make sure states and localities have the ventilators and other supplies they need, including Washington, and he has praised Democrat governors, including Governor Inslee, for the job they're doing.

The president is not the main spokesman. He almost always makes a few remarks, but it's Birx and Fauci who are featured. Especially Birx; she seems to be a good communicator. And the president has followed their recommendations to a fault. Perhaps too well. But those suffering from Ideological Filtering Disorder insist on making this a political thing against the president, so they'll never admit any of that. That includes The New Yorker, BTW.

South Dakota had a significant outbreak at a meat-packing plant owned by the Chinese, after company officials from China visited. Otherwise, tehy hvae been virtually unaffected. Trying to pin that one outbreak on Governor Noem's decision not to violate her citizens' civil liberties is irresponsible and dishonest.

"Federal leaders have given shifting advice—initially, Americans were told that they did not need to wear masks in public, but on April 3rd, at a White House press briefing, masks were recommended"

And now they seem to be going back the other way.

https://nypost.com/2020/05/28/healt...aring-for-coronavirus-patients-who-says/

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The World Health Organization is recommending healthy people, including those who don’t exhibit COVID-19 symptoms, only wear masks when taking care of someone infected with the contagion, a sharp contrast from the advice given by American public health officials who recommend everyone wear a mask in public.

“If you do not have any [respiratory] symptoms such as fever, cough or runny nose, you do not need to wear a mask,” Dr. April Baller, a public health specialist for the WHO, says in a video on the world health body’s website. “Masks should only be used by health care workers, caretakers or by people who are sick with symptoms of fever and cough.”

“We now know from recent studies that a significant portion of individuals with coronavirus lack symptoms (‘asymptomatic’) and that even those who eventually develop symptoms (‘pre-symptomatic’) can transmit the virus to others before showing symptoms,” the CDC mask guidance says. “In light of this new evidence, CDC recommends wearing cloth face coverings in public settings where other social distancing measures are difficult to maintain.”

Baller noted that masks can give people a “false feeling of protection” and noted that sick individuals should wear one to prevent transmitting the virus to others.


And then there is this that puts two favored lefty policies at odds with each other.

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“Universal masking at 80 [percent] adoption flattens the curve significantly more than maintaining a strict lockdown,” a group of international researchers wrote in the study, which has not yet been peer-reviewed.


Which, if true, would argue in favor of reopening.

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A separate study released earlier this month divided scientists on the effectiveness of wearing masks.


New York's problems are partly international travellers and high density, but largely a product of uncaring policy choices by the mayor and especially the governor. Also, entitled people like the mayor and the governor's brother who think they don't have to follow the rules they impose on everyone else.

Furthermore, the incubation period is 14 days. Once you've locked down for a month or so, you've pretty much broken the cycle. We've flattened the curve; it's time to begin reopening. But these mayors and governors like the power too much.


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Re: Some rough figures on COVID [Re: mikezpen] #605370
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Maybe. I think their intentions are good, but you know what the road to hell is paved with


Joe Biden has spent his entire life trying to succeed in presidential politics,and now he has. Too bad he’s not there to enjoy it.
Re: Some rough figures on COVID [Re: mikezpen] #605371
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https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...0-days-without-economic-lockdowns-right/

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Top Israeli mathematician Isaac Ben-Israel predicted in mid-April (April 15) that the deadly COVID-19 virus peaks after around 40 days independent of the society locking down their economy or not.


https://www.timesofisrael.com/top-i...ow-virus-plays-itself-out-after-70-days/

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A prominent Israeli mathematician, analyst and former general claims simple statistical analysis demonstrates that the spread of COVID-19 peaks after about 40 days and declines to almost zero after 70 days — no matter where it strikes, and no matter what measures governments impose to try to thwart it.

Prof Isaac Ben-Israel, head of the Security Studies program in Tel Aviv University and the chairman of the National Council for Research and Development, told Israel’s Channel 12 (Hebrew) Monday night that research he conducted with a fellow professor, analyzing the growth and decline of new cases in countries around the world, showed repeatedly that “there’s a set pattern” and “the numbers speak for themselves.”

While he said he supports social distancing, the widespread shuttering of economies worldwide constitutes a demonstrable error in light of those statistics. In Israel’s case, he noted, about 140 people normally die every day. To have shuttered much of the economy because of a virus that is killing one or two a day is a radical error that is unnecessarily costing Israel 20% of its GDP, he charged.


https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...0-days-without-economic-lockdowns-right/

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Sweden[b] – left its economy open — did not destroy businesses in April —

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[b]Spain deaths in May
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Brazil – economy mostly open – cases in April–

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Brazil deaths May–

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Germany cases April–

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Re: Some rough figures on COVID [Re: mikezpen] #605372
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Continued...

Italy cases April–

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Italy May deaths–

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https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...0-days-without-economic-lockdowns-right/

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From an initial glance at the spread of coronavirus in these countries it appears Professor Ben-Israel was correct last month and is still correct.

Every country appears to reach a peak after 30-40 days and then they see the numbers drop significantly.


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Current WHO recommendations:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ESBjtnJXkAER0sm?format=jpg&name=900x900

"For healthy people wear a mask only if you are taking care of a person with suspected coronavirus infection.

Wear a mask, if you are coughing or sneezing.

Masks are effective only when used in combination with frequent hand-cleaning with alcohol-based hand rub or soap and water.

If you wear a mask then you must know how to use it and dispose of it properly."

https://www.who.int/emergencies/dis...ice-for-public/when-and-how-to-use-masks


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https://nypost.com/2020/05/29/northwell-health-probing-use-of-ventilators-for-covid-patients/

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New York’s largest hospital system is conducting a sweeping analysis of its use of ventilators while treating coronavirus patients during the peak of the pandemic.

The study comes as experts have raised concerns that an over-reliance on the machines may have actually cost lives.

For so many sick COVID-19 patients, getting attached to a mechanical ventilator was a death sentence. More than two-thirds of the patients in Northwell Health facilities hooked to ventilators died in March and early April and the fatality rate was similar at other hospitals.

At the beginning of the pandemic, health officials were worried whether there would be a shortage of ventilators to intubate COVID patients with serious breathing and lung problems. But then discussion in the medical community turned to whether the machines were being overused and possibly contributing to a higher death rate.

“One theory is if you put some patients on a ventilator, you might irritate the lungs more. That’s a theory we’re looking at,” Dr. Thomas McGinn, Northwell’s senior vice president and deputy physician-in-chief, told The Post.


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https://www.news-medical.net/news/2...f-coronavirus-infection-expert-says.aspx

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Panic buying and the hoarding of face masks to protect from the coronavirus disease (COVID-19) may not be a good idea, says a health expert. It puts you at an increased risk of contracting the virus.

Dr. Jenny Harries, England's deputy chief medical officer, has warned that it was not a good idea for the public to wear facemasks as the virus can get trapped in the material and causes infection when the wearer breathes in.

For the public, they should not wear facemasks unless they are sick, and if a healthcare worker advised them.

"For the average member of the public walking down a street, it is not a good idea," Dr. Harries said.

"What tends to happen is people will have one mask. They won't wear it all the time, they will take it off when they get home, they will put it down on a surface they haven't cleaned," she added.

Further, she added that behavioral issues could adversely put themselves at more risk of getting the infection. For instance, people go out and don't wash their hands, they touch parts of the mask or their face, and they get infected.


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https://medicalxpress.com/news/2015-04-masksdangerous-health.html

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The widespread use of cloth masks by healthcare workers may actually put them at increased risk of respiratory illness and viral infections and their global use should be discouraged, according to a UNSW study.

The results of the first randomised clinical trial (RCT) to study the efficacy of cloth masks were published today in the journal BMJ Open.

The trial saw 1607 hospital healthcare workers across 14 hospitals in the Vietnamese capital, Hanoi, split into three groups: those wearing medical masks, those wearing cloth masks and a control group based on usual practice, which included mask wearing.

Workers used the mask on every shift for four consecutive weeks.

The study found respiratory infection was much higher among healthcare workers wearing cloth masks.

The penetration of cloth masks by particles was almost 97% compared to medical masks with 44%.


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