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Re: Some rough figures on COVID [Re: mikezpen] #605324
25/05/2020 16:35
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PA has about 68 thou cases. Population approx. 12.8 million
Ohio 32 thou.Pop 11.7 million.
The difference? PA population is more concentrated.
Ohio did specific lockdowns on March 15. A general lockdown on March 22.
PA closed schools on March 16, but other lockdowns were "suggestions" except for large gatherings in Philadelphia.

Why so many cases in Italy? And the higher death rate than other countries?
1. Lots of old people
Italians have the sixth-longest life expectancy in the world – 84 years old.
2. Close proximity
Italians aren’t used to social distancing.
3. Dense population
Italy is a densely populated country, with an average density of 533 people per square mile. In comparison, Germany has a population density of 235 people per square mile while the U.S. has 94.
Two-thirds of Italians live in urban areas that are even more dense. Rome has 5,800 people per square mile, and Milan packs more than 19,000 people into every square mile. That’s almost twice the density of Berlin and Washington, D.C.
4. Northern Italy is a business hub
Milan, in northern Italy, is the country’s financial capital, and has close trade and educational connections with China.
5. The Italian outbreak was early. They were relatively slow to lockdown. Other places have learned from their mistakes.

So, Timmer, you may have something right, but as usual it isn't as simple as you make it.


And your point re NYC? As much of a center for everything as anywhere in the US. And as dense. And my preferred source says that DeBlasio (& Cuomo) blew it by ignoring his own capable health department and starting late.
But as usual political attacks explain everything. And lockdowns there are better late than never. With few exceptions the NY dropoff is as good as any in the US. As it should be given the earlier clusterf---. And the rest of the state is doing fairly well. Why? Hmmm---

Florida? As of today Florida has confirmed more than 51,700+ coronavirus cases. NY 367, 600+ By not shutting down Florida generously has shared infection with the rest of the country. As probably NY shared with them.

And your last post? Of course radiation kills viruses. And VitD (sunlight) helps resistance. But gathering in crowds? Are you bucking for a position on the Trump stupid task force? So much for lack of bias.
Here's what medicine says. Link



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Re: Some rough figures on COVID [Re: mikezpen] #605326
26/05/2020 10:17
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More random comments.
My sister's rural neighbors thought that she was brave to drive to the big city (Cleveland.)

I see lots of porch business locally. We live within dog walking distance of at least a dozen eateries with exterior seating. Getting to be housebound wacko, so going out seems attractive.
But fewer than half of the people on porches are masking to even a token amount. Lots of mingling and proximity even between separate dining groups. Two restaurants locally have been cited by the state for ignoring safety regs.
I'll wait for now.

I see lots of people at stores wearing masks - incorrectly. Including store workers. I find masks uncomfortable and would find them actively obnoxious if I had to wear one for hours.
Bit if it's not over your nose, it blows.

martin, or anyone who lives what they think is rurally. Anyone wearing masks? Comments on the difference by neighbors about rules that they don't see as being needed?


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Re: Some rough figures on COVID [Re: mikezpen] #605328
26/05/2020 13:12
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People been housepartying here since just about the beginning. Love the crowd standing eyeball to asshole at the ice cream truck every evening.


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Re: Some rough figures on COVID [Re: mikezpen] #605330
26/05/2020 14:27
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Pogo, wait if you like, but don't force others to do so.


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Re: Some rough figures on COVID [Re: mikezpen] #605331
26/05/2020 14:38
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Pogo,,,,, I live in a small town, about 3000 people and we pretty much all know each other....In the grocery store here about half are wearing masks. In Macon. it may be a little higher than half. We ALWAYS wear our masks when we deliver at funeral homes.We wear gloves and aren't getting signatures on deliveries.When we get back in the trucks, we first use wipes and then as soon as we get off of funeral home property we stop and wash our hands with soap. We have liquid soap and water in all of the trucks.We are not letting up on that, EVERY time that we get out anywhere. I've gotten some dirty looks for leaving water in parking lots as I wash the soap off.

Here in ga the number of cases are increasing, up about 200 per day from last week. The data tells the story though, the hot spots are nursing homes and in the meat packing plants and farms. Most all of the new cases are either elderly in nursing homes or Mexicans working in meat packing or farming. I used to go to farms in south ga this time of year, and I'd stop. today I passed by two peach packing sheds and I didn't even think about stopping...


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Re: Some rough figures on COVID [Re: mikezpen] #605336
27/05/2020 15:27
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Who owns those meat packing plants?


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Re: Some rough figures on COVID [Re: mikezpen] #605340
28/05/2020 11:30
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Japan has 132 cases per million.
We have 5,310.
Some other countries are doing as well as Japan - but look where they are located.
And the fact of how dense they are.
They also have 7 per million deaths, with the oldest average population in the world.We're at 311.
Other countries claim to be doing that well. China, India. But I don't believe either their testing (India) or their reporting (China)
I believe Japan.
Taiwan reports .3 deaths per million (?) Vietnam zero deaths. smirk

I could nitpick other countries (here's the LINK )

But the question for me is still Japan. National characteristics? Early prevention? No hand shaking?


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Re: Some rough figures on COVID [Re: mikezpen] #605344
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I'm not sure I believe Vietnam's claim of zero, either.


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Re: Some rough figures on COVID [Re: mikezpen] #605345
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Asian countries were far more prepared for this.

Once China was hit, I think their govt. did little to stop it from spreading outside the country.In fact, they covered up the seriousness of the virus. They have everything to gain by hurting us.and Europe.And if Trump is blamed and they can get rid of him, too.


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Re: Some rough figures on COVID [Re: mikezpen] #605347
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Interestingly, it's Democrat policies that seem to have caused most of the problems.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapo...-43-of-u-s-covid-19-deaths/#54f8e41674cd

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2.1 million Americans, representing 0.62% of the U.S. population, reside in nursing homes and assisted living facilities. (Nursing homes are residences for seniors needing help with activities of daily living, such as taking a shower or getting dressed, who also require 24/7 medical supervision; assisted living facilities are designed for seniors who need help with activities of daily living, but don’t require full-time on-site medical supervision.)


We know that "progressive" states like New York, in an astounding act of compassion and love, sent people known to be infected back into the nursing homes and even prevented the nursing homes from testing them. Then they blamed Trump for it.

"Compassion."


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