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#583680 - 07/16/17 07:51 PM O's rotation: Bottom 10 in 100 years
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#583682 - 07/16/17 08:01 PM Re: O's rotation: Bottom 10 in 100 years [Re: mlbbirdfan]
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The need to trade away some people to get 2 or 3 good prospects, not acquire mediocre veterans or go broke for a premier pitcher.

Why not stretch Bleier and Castro out and see what they have?


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#583686 - 07/16/17 08:36 PM Re: O's rotation: Bottom 10 in 100 years [Re: mikezpen]
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Hmmm, Buck was the manager of that 2003 Rangers team.
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#583693 - 07/17/17 07:31 AM Re: O's rotation: Bottom 10 in 100 years [Re: carolina]
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It's not Buck's fault Duquette hasn't seriously addressed the rotation. And he's not the one out there stinking up the joint every night.
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#583699 - 07/17/17 10:06 AM Re: O's rotation: Bottom 10 in 100 years [Re: smitty]
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Dook couldn't bring up guys because he has nothing in the minors.And his $170 million payroll kept him from going free agency for anyone good.

Right now, this team has to trade primarily veterans perhaps mixed w/a prospect or two to bring pitching prospects in.


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#583706 - 07/17/17 11:22 AM Re: O's rotation: Bottom 10 in 100 years [Re: mikezpen]
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Originally Posted By: mikezpen
Dook couldn't bring up guys because he has nothing in the minors.


And whose fault is that? Who hired the current scouts and minor league managers and coaches?
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#583707 - 07/17/17 12:15 PM Re: O's rotation: Bottom 10 in 100 years [Re: Lee]
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They've been lousy on pitching for DECADES, Lee.How many good ones did they ever develop for the Orioles?

We are getting some hitting though.


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#583716 - 07/17/17 03:20 PM Re: O's rotation: Bottom 10 in 100 years [Re: Lee]
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Originally Posted By: Lee
Originally Posted By: mikezpen
Dook couldn't bring up guys because he has nothing in the minors.


And whose fault is that? Who hired the current scouts and minor league managers and coaches?


And who traded away guys like Zach Davies and Josh Hader and Steven Brault (and of course Jake Arrieta) for literally bums? Duquette has no one to blame but himself for the dearth of pitching in this organization.

Notice I didn't mention Eduardo Rodriguez. I'd make that Andrew Miller trade again. He helped us get to the ALCS. I wish they could've re-signed him, but I think they knew it was a 2 month rental.
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#583718 - 07/17/17 03:25 PM Re: O's rotation: Bottom 10 in 100 years [Re: Great8]
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2014 was our time...our moment They had to make the ERod trade even though I knew even then that it w/break bad for the Orioles over the long term. The pitching trades after then WERE terrible.

The team has been sliding ever since, and this year it has really fallen back.

I wish we had MacPhail back now. He made great trades, and we need them.
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#583720 - 07/17/17 03:39 PM Re: O's rotation: Bottom 10 in 100 years [Re: mikezpen]
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2014 was our time...our moment They had to make the ERod trade even though I knew even then that it w/break bad for the Orioles over the long term. The pitching trades after then WERE terrible.

The team has been sliding ever since, and this year it has really fallen back.

I wish we had MacPhail back now. He made great trades, and we need them.

Agree to all of that. I think the O's could've won it all in 2014, they just ran into a really hot KC team. Nobody saw them coming. It wasn't Miller's fault the Royals absolutely shut down the O's offense.
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