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Blue jays GM out !! #525077
29/10/2015 11:38
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Here we go again


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Re: Blue jays GM out !! [Re: mlbbirdfan] #525078
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Wow.


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29/10/2015 11:47
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Won't be Duke. He wanted to be president, not GM


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Re: Blue jays GM out !! [Re: mlbbirdfan] #525080
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I might trade even up.


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Re: Blue jays GM out !! [Re: BaseBawl] #525093
29/10/2015 12:33
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DD is gone. Last year such a thing would have upset me. Now, I'm not sure. Last offseason really left a bad taste in my mouth for many reasons, not the least of which is the absolute failure to do anything to improve this team. How much of that was DD and how much of that was Angelos being unwilling to part with a nickel, we don't know. I suspect it's mostly the latter, and the best we can hope for as O's fans is to have a GM who is creative, like DD is. Give him a free-spending owner to go along with that creativity, and then you might really have something. I'll bet the Jays go after him again.


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Re: Blue jays GM out !! [Re: BaseBawl] #525094
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Twitter rumblings suggesting new Prez didn't exactly endear himself to the front office when he showed up. And Shapiro's role took power away from Anthopoulos if he re-upped, so he said "no thanks". Interestingly, he managed to negotiate extensions for all of his front office guys before he bailed. Seems like a stand-up guy. Toronto will probably regret letting him go.


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Re: Blue jays GM out !! [Re: Great8] #525095
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Originally Posted By: Great8
I'll bet the Jays go after him again.
They can't offer him a promotion anymore. It would be a lateral move and maybe even, as Anthopoulos would argue, a demotion.


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Re: Blue jays GM out !! [Re: smitty] #525096
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Originally Posted By: Great8
I'll bet the Jays go after him again.
They can't offer him a promotion anymore. It would be a lateral move and maybe even, as Anthopoulos would argue, a demotion.

I'm sure technically that's true, but isn't it all semantics? Couldn't they give him another title that's better than what he has here? Or does he really want the president gig and you think he wouldn't leave for anything but that?


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They wanted him to replace Beeston (former Prez), who is being replaced instead by Shapiro (new Prez). Anthopoulos was GM, and had some of his decision-making ability taken away with Shapiro's contract. So DD wouldn't be getting the Prez job, he'd be getting the newly-reduced GM job. I don't think the title matters much, he'd have less power there than he does here.


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Re: Blue jays GM out !! [Re: smitty] #525114
30/10/2015 05:53
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well, there was some talk after all the jays' moves this summer that this was it as far as their big-spending bid for immediate glory. some asked whether they'd given up too much, others said it was worth it for the chance to go far in october.

i'm not taking sides in that, but it sounded like a harbinger of a change in organizational management was round the corner. now they've rounded that corner.

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Originally Posted By: smitty
They wanted him to replace Beeston (former Prez), who is being replaced instead by Shapiro (new Prez). Anthopoulos was GM, and had some of his decision-making ability taken away with Shapiro's contract. So DD wouldn't be getting the Prez job, he'd be getting the newly-reduced GM job. I don't think the title matters much, he'd have less power there than he does here.

Gotcha, makes sense. We'll see I guess. It might still be more attractive to go to a team where the owner actually wants to spend money to compete, instead of having to fill its roster with guys like Travis Snider and David Lough.


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Re: Blue jays GM out !! [Re: Great8] #525176
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Why would you assume DD is gone?


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Re: Blue jays GM out !! [Re: mlbbirdfan] #525214
01/11/2015 06:40
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you know, great8, when i read that buck quote, i think we have to ask if the royals are having more fun. . . the thing that galls me from an oriole perspective is that, for years, i felt sorry for royals fans when the 'big market/small market' argument was trotted out. i though, 'oh, they're kind of like us, glory days in the 80s, but now their ownership won't spend or can't spend and they are doomed to the cellar.'

darn it, there is no structural reason why the royals can do it and the orioles cannot.

we sure were close last year. i hope we're not remembering last year -- no, i mean two years ago, i guess -- as a high-water mark for very long.

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The Orioles were where they were the past few years primarily because of two extremely fortuitous trades and two high draft picks who worked out, not because Angelos spent money.

To hold this together, he'll have to spend big money on long-term contracts for a couple of people. Will he do it?

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Re: Blue jays GM out !! [Re: mikezpen] #525218
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let's hope there's no "they'll sign for less if i throw in free legal consultation work."

hey, maybe if we get bad again, angelos can set up another trip, like cuba. this time it could be north korea. dennis rodman could come.

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Originally Posted By: expository writer
you know, great8, when i read that buck quote, i think we have to ask if the royals are having more fun. . . the thing that galls me from an oriole perspective is that, for years, i felt sorry for royals fans when the 'big market/small market' argument was trotted out. i though, 'oh, they're kind of like us, glory days in the 80s, but now their ownership won't spend or can't spend and they are doomed to the cellar.'

darn it, there is no structural reason why the royals can do it and the orioles cannot.

we sure were close last year. i hope we're not remembering last year -- no, i mean two years ago, i guess -- as a high-water mark for very long.

Yeah, I hear you. I expounded on the Royals thing in another post, I can't remember which one, but basically I said that the difference between the O's and Royals is good scouting and drafting. They have it, we don't. They sucked for as long or longer than the O's did, and early this morning, they benefited from all that sucking. Will the cheap owner pay to keep the team together when these guys start hitting free agency? Probably not, but at least they got a championship out of it. I'm green with envy.


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