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a good friend, who I consider a moderate to slightly left of center person on issues, and who leads what I would call a Faith-centered life ( Communications consultant with religious clients, as well as others ) posted a statement on Facebook this morning:

"I support Black Lives Matter."

He went on to say he wishes "we were seeing the type of news coverage of police officers being killed that we get when a police officer shoots a person of color. I hope that those who support Black Lives Matter will join in supporting the good police who do their jobs in the face of danger every day."

I'm curious.

1. Why would any thinking person say: "I support Black Lives Matter" in the face of their support for brutal slayings of police officers?

2. Do you think we are seeing news coverage of police officers being killed? Is it equivalent to, more than or less than officers shooting blacks?

3. Do you support your local police department? If so, how?



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Originally Posted By: mlbbirdfan

1. Why would any thinking person say: "I support Black Lives Matter" in the face of their support for brutal slayings of police officers?



On what basis do you assert 'their' support brutal slayings of police officers? Who, exactly, do you mean by 'they'?


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Originally Posted By: mlbbirdfan
2. Do you think we are seeing news coverage of police officers being killed? Is it equivalent to, more than or less than officers shooting blacks?


Yes, I do. There was wall-to-wall coverage on all of the cable networks of the manhunt yesterday in Fox Lake, IL, including lots of stuff about how the officer was a good guy. And there has been extensive coverage of the murder of the Deputy Sheriff in Texas.


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We support good cops but hate racist, bullying, and murderous ones. It seems that there are a lot of them out there.
The killing of cops is in the news media all the time.
As in any organization, right or left, there are some who go too far in their rantings.


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From what the right-wing media are promoting, you'd think there had been a big uptick in the murders of police officers this year as a result of the Black Lives Matter movement. There hasn't been.

So far this year, 24 law enforcement officers have been killed by gunfire in the line of duty. Through this date last year, there were 34 such deaths.
https://www.odmp.org/search/year

Being a police officer is a difficult, dangerous job. The ones who do it well deserve our respect, and that's most of them. There are bad apples in every profession. If I have a criticism of LOTS of cops, though, it's that far too many of them will not only tolerate the bad apples in their profession, but will lie under oath to protect them. If anybody had any doubt about that, all they need to do is realize that the other cops initially backed up the one who told the complete lie about the circumstances of shooting the unarmed guy in South Carolina. If a bystander hadn't been recording the entire thing on his cellphone, that cop would doubtless have gotten off completely, and would still be on the job.

One of the things I'm proud of the legal profession for is the willingness of lawyers to see other lawyers punished, up to and including disbarment, when they commit serious misconduct. If law enforcement officers took the same approach, there would be a lot less anger directed at them.

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They're not going to criticize these assholes, mlb.It doesn't matter that these fanatics say or do.


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Originally Posted By: mikezpen
They're not going to criticize these assholes, mlb.It doesn't matter that these fanatics say or do.


Why don't you just put a sign in your front yard saying, "Black Lives DON'T matter to me!"


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Originally Posted By: mikezpen
They're not going to criticize these assholes, mlb.It doesn't matter that these fanatics say or do.


I guess their lives don't matter to you then.

And you actually wonder why you get the reactions you get?


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Most black lives don't matter to Black Lives Matter. They don't give a damn about them unless a policeman shoots someone and they can make it an issue. Even you people see that, but you're too ideologically driven to acknowledge it. And frankly, I'm beginning to think a few of you are actually ashamed of being white and carry a guilt complex.


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Originally Posted By: mikezpen
Most black lives don't matter to Black Lives Matter. They don't give a damn about them unless a policeman shoots someone and they can make it an issue. Even you people see that, but you're too ideologically driven to acknowledge it. And frankly, I'm beginning to think a few of you are actually ashamed of being white and carry a guilt complex.


I'm not ashamed of being white.

I am though, ashamed of some white people. That you can't figure out that difference says it all.


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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/...a395_story.html

Here is something for mlb to read.

Don't bother MikeZ.


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Well JL, since you challenged me to read it, I did. The article's ok except for one slickly-written paragraph.

Let?s take five steps back. The movement for police reform was not the invention of some leftist claque. It was a response to real and genuinely tragic events. Silencing protesters won?t make anything better.

It very neatly slides a hate group (when you go around chanting about killing police, that's what you are) under the legitimate title of "protestors". The reader is to assume that, by criticizing one group, FOX wants to stifle all protest of police practices. That's not what O'Reilly is saying.


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You don't read for content.

I told you to not bother.

Your mind is closed.


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Yours is closed by ideology. Your reasoning is thus: Some police abuse their authority and target blacks unfairly. BLM opposes these practices. Therefore BLM is legitimate and shouldn't be criticized,

If you can't see through this group of hate-mongering fanatics, then nothing anybody else says will matter.

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Your critique of them, from what I can gather from the increasingly frayed and angry rantings, is that they aren't staging an equally well-attended/organized/reported movement against black-on-black violence. Which has been pointed out to you as a false equivalency. That doesn't mean they are immune to criticism, it means your particular criticism doesn't have merit.


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You can get a lot more rational thought out of him than I can smitty. He is the target audience of Fox spewing out that they are a 'hate' group.

Fox, of all organizations, talking about hate.

Well, they do have experience.


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calling for the death of police isn't hate?


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Originally Posted By: mikezpen
calling for the death of police isn't hate?


Of course it is. But let me explain this very slowly, although you probably won't understand it, because you don't WANT to understand it, even then:

You are condemning an entire movement for the actions of a few people. And you're saying that black lives don't matter to anybody in the movement. That's just nuts. But it's not surprising, coming from somebody who defends the KKK and the American Nazi Party when they murder people.


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You're confusing "movement" with one group of fanatics.


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...No, that's what you're doing. You're labeling BLM as advocating violence against police when a small group that participated in their protest did it. They didn't organize that bit, they didn't promote it, it's not part of their platform. You do realize that not everyone that shows up to these things is a full-fledged, card-carrying member, right? And they don't have control over what individuals say?


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Originally Posted By: mikezpen
You're confusing "movement" with one group of fanatics.


If that's true, then you confused "one group of fanatics" with the entire black race when you did your post claiming that black lives don't matter to blacks unless they're killed by the police.


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Thanks for a couple thoughtful replies, the usual spew aside, I have learned some things.

1. I get it; the reason why a person should support BLM is because black lives have been taken unfairly by police officers; and, if that is the objective, to call attention to this fact, it is a worthy objective.

I'm interested in the group, now. Several people talked as if it has "members" based on some criteria. I'm not sure that is accurate. I don't see any criteria on their Facebook Page, but I see 83,000+ people "like" BLM. Not insignificant numbers, for sure, but neither is it near as big as many counts on FB.

I don't see any criteria on their web page either.

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Black Lives Matter is an activist movement in the United States that began in the wake of the July 2013 acquittal of George Zimmerman in the Florida shooting death of African-American teen Trayvon Martin. The Black Lives Matter movement campaigns against what it calls police brutality in the United States against African-Americans. The group received fresh impetus from the 2014 deaths of two unarmed African Americans, teenager Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri and 43 year old Eric Garner in New York City; in both cases the grand jury did not indict the officers and no charges were brought. Several unarmed African Americans who died at the hands of law enforcement have had their deaths protested by the movement, including Tamir Rice, Eric Harris, Walter Scott, and Freddie Gray (whose death sparked the 2015 Baltimore protests). Numerous media organizations have referred to it as "a new civil rights movement."[1][2][3]

The movement was co-founded by three black activists: Alicia Garza, Patrisse Cullors, and Opal Tometi.[4][5] Although the three run a stable website and organization, the overall Black Lives Matter movement is a decentralized network, and has no formal hierarchy or structure.[6] The movement reached national awareness with the protests and unrest in Ferguson in August 2014, although Garza, Cullors and Tometi were not initially involved in those events.[2][7]

The shooting of Walter Scott by a white policeman was recorded by a bystander, who contacted a local activist involved with Black Lives Matter; they, in turn, contacted Scott's family to take possession of the video. Soon after the video was released to the public, the officer was arrested and charged with murder. The case is pending.[8]


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2. I certainly think there is adequate coverage of officers being killed. In fact, it might be over-blown, like many "trends" today.

That said, Lee, the data would indicate a good many officers killed in the line of duty, and the counts are sad. 100+ per year. I suppose that is a "pittance" compared to the total number of police officers. But the fear factor cannot be ignored, in an era of terror.

And, the numbers are not "down" from gunshots. They are equivalent, on a per month basis, in a small sample size ( 21 months 2014, and 8 months 2015)


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Not a single response to the third question posed in my lead post? Sad.

Beth and I support our Camp Hill fire company, with donations to their fundraising events ( BBQ, and door to door ). Not big bucks. Support, though, across many years. I am told the police do not get any of these dollars, so this post is now edited.

We thank our police officers EVERY time we see them one-on-one, without fail. I know it is a small thing. But they know me (they do not know my wife from Eve), and they appreciate that I talk to a lot of neighbors and friends, always supporting them and the performance of their duties.

I have adopted a role of "correcting" local criticisms of police (fire, and other officials) when there is crap on FB that I know first hand is crap.

And finally, I am involved in my community, in depth, and in detail. I know probably half our 14 or 16 police officers by name; I know the chief well, and deeply respect his achievements, both to educate and improve himself as an officer, and to see that his men and women are properly trained, outfitted, and paid. They solve crimes, they prevent crimes, they protect me, my family, and our neighbors from dangers. I deeply appreciate it.

I acknowledge, I live in small town America. As a critique of me, or my answer, though, meh.

I repeat the question. What have YOU done to support any police officers, in say, the past year or so???

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Originally Posted By: mlbbirdfan
And, the numbers are not "down" from gunshots. They are equivalent, on a per month basis, in a small sample size ( 21 months 2014, and 8 months 2015)


I compared 1/1/14-9/1/14 with the same dates in 2015, and deaths from gunshots in those periods were indeed down. I don't understand what your talking about with respect to 21 months in 2014. If you meant 12 months, I compared apples to apples by comparing the same periods in each year.

Most of the line=of-duty deaths weren't from officers being murdered. They include such things as automobile accidents and heart attacks, which may have nothing to do with the fact that the deceased was a law enforcement officer.


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I pay my taxes, which pays their salaries. ;-)


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What have I done? I pay taxes that pay their salary.

What should I do? Go knock on their doors?

What have you done to thank me for my service?


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I suppose the real question is what is my own attitude towards the police officers in Baltimore, Ferguson, and wherever in FL George Zimmermann lives (not just my attitude towards the Camp Hill police).

Baltimore police brutality was well-documented by David Simon.
The police force has a bad attitude, so it seems.
I don't support that, I don't support public officials (or people on this chat board like Mikez) who through their racist attitudes or other demons, seem to condone it. It needs to be thoroughly cleaned up. That said, the good officers, who do their jobs, deserve stellar support!

I could run through similar thoughts about the other tinder box situations, but as a generality, it seems there is some bad karma right now, which in my view has arisen since 9/11 2001, which is causing all of us to be at each other's throats on this topic now, like so many others.

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They get paid to do a job.

We don't need cheerleaders. Being polite and civil is something I think we owe everyone, not just a certain few.

That's the way I was raised, and it is what I practice.


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It was a typo Lee. 12. not 21.


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and, it IS a small sample size. your point is fair: the number is not up. media attention must be, though. and social media attention.

the same social media that has Trump and Sanders trending, while other candidates are going to win the nominations.

social media is a distraction from reality, sometimes


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WHO DO YOU THINK SAID THIS???

"The idea that disrupting and protesting Bernie Sanders speeches will change what is wrong in America is lunacy. The "BlackLivesMatter" movement is focused on the wrong targets, to the detriment of blacks who would like to see real change and to the benefit of its powerful white liberal funders using the attacks on Sanders for political purposes that mean nothing for the problems that face our community."

"The notion that some lives might matter less than others is meant to enrage. That anger is distracting us from what matters most. We're right to be angry, but we have to stay smart."

"Of course, the protesters are right that racial policing issues exist and some rotten policemen took actions that killed innocent people. Those actions were inexcusable and they should be prosecuted to deter such acts in the future."

"But unjust treatment from police did not fill our inner cities with people who face growing hopelessness. Young men and women can't find jobs. Parents don't have the skills to compete in a modern job market. Far too many families are torn and tattered by self-inflicted wounds. Violence often walks alongside people who have given up hope."

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WHO DO YOU THINK SAID THIS???

"The idea that disrupting and protesting Bernie Sanders speeches will change what is wrong in America is lunacy. The "BlackLivesMatter" movement is focused on the wrong targets, to the detriment of blacks who would like to see real change and to the benefit of its powerful white liberal funders using the attacks on Sanders for political purposes that mean nothing for the problems that face our community."

"The notion that some lives might matter less than others is meant to enrage. That anger is distracting us from what matters most. We're right to be angry, but we have to stay smart."

"Of course, the protesters are right that racial policing issues exist and some rotten policemen took actions that killed innocent people. Those actions were inexcusable and they should be prosecuted to deter such acts in the future."

"But unjust treatment from police did not fill our inner cities with people who face growing hopelessness. Young men and women can't find jobs. Parents don't have the skills to compete in a modern job market. Far too many families are torn and tattered by self-inflicted wounds. Violence often walks alongside people who have given up hope."

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It was Ben Carson. I had to Google it to be sure, but that was my first reaction. President Obama has made similar points many times, but of course none of the righties who are now singing Ben Carson's praises would give him credit for it.

And there is much of what he said that I agree with. My wife and I contributed several times to the charity that he set up for inner city kids -- about which I've heard nothing recently since he started getting involved in politics. He's done a lot of admirable things, and has in most ways lived an admirable life.

But that emphatically doesn't qualify him to be President. And I will also say that if you go to the end of the op-ed piece from which you quoted those comments, he says the following:

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We should have a talk with the Democratic Party. Let's tell them, we don?t want to be clothed, fed and housed. We want honor and dignity.

We don't want a plan to give us public housing in nice neighborhoods. We want an end to excuses for schools that leave us without the means to buy our own houses where we choose to live. We want the skills needed to compete, not a consolation prize of Section 8, Food Stamps and a lifetime of government paperwork.


My comment is that if you've ever studied psychology, and Maslow's hierarchy of needs, those things are very easy to say if it's been decades since you've had any problem being clothed and housed, when you've had any problem getting enough to eat, and when you're a wealthy neurosurgeon with a mansion in the suburbs and a vacation home on the Amalfi Coast in Italy. Things might seem very different if you were living in housing where your kids were being lead poisoned, you didn't have the money to move anywhere else, and you couldn't provide your family with a decent diet.

I saw a video of a Ben Carson speech to some conservative group where he described his career path, and it destroyed every illusion I had about him being some idealist (although, to be charitable to him, perhaps he was simply lying to them to give them what he figured they wanted to hear -- although that doesn't make him any different from the crassest politician.)

He told them that as a young man, when he decided he wanted to be a physician, he wanted to be a medical missionary physician, providing medical services to people who otherwise had no medical services at all. I've known people who have taken that route, and I admire them greatly. But then he said, "But then I decided I wanted to be rich, so I decided to become a neurosurgeon." (Which was met with much laughter, including from him.) "And then I decided to become a pediatric neurosurgeon, because kids don't wait to get better until they get their settlement check." (Which was met with more laughter, including from him.)

That video was chilling, and it showed me that this man I had admired so much, and to whose charity I had donated significant money, was pretty much a fraud. It's one thing to say that you weren't willing to be a medical missionary because you weren't able to persuade yourself to live a life of poverty, and to act like you feel at least a little bit guilty about that decision. It's another thing entirely to essentially BRAG that you wanted to be rich, so you rejected that youthful ambition.

And I also think it's impossible for anybody who doesn't simply shut their mind off from facts which might challenge their world view to get a medial school education, and be a faculty member of one of the top medical schools in the United States, and consider the creation stories in Genesis to be anything more than a myth, which may well convey some deep truths, but which emphatically do NOT contradict the scientific evidence for evolution. I think the very LAST thing we need is a President who simply closes his mind to facts he (or she) doesn't want to hear.


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Neither of those reflects reality, WW."Only Some Black Live Matter" is more like it.

"But unjust treatment from police did not fill our inner cities with people who face growing hopelessness. Young men and women can't find jobs. Parents don't have the skills to compete in a modern job market. Far too many families are torn and tattered by self-inflicted wounds. Violence often walks alongside people who have given up hope."


Don't know who wrote it. Far too intelligently written for MLM to have done it, that's doe sure.

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Lee, You figured out the quotes. You've donated to a worthwhile charity (you give to others at least as worthy, I realize). You've given great thought to the issues Carson addresses.

But I'm surprised and disappointed at:

1. Your assumptions, and;

2. Your conclusions.

I'm going back to bed. My current situation dictates my sleep pattern. More later.


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Mikez, who is MLM?


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BLM-Black Lives matter...or better yet, SBLM-Some Black Lives Matter


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So Mike, have you jumped from the Christie bandwagon to the Carson bandwagon?
My understanding about him was that he used the same government programs he decries to get where he is today.


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No Dave. Listening. I could still end up voting for the Democrat, although I'd prefer someone younger than Mrs. Clinton and not from Maryland.

If Christie is still on the ballot by Pa Primary Day '16, I will vote for him.

PS - if I felt strongly inclined toward anyone, I might be motivated to be involved politically. I don't. I probably won't.

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I am pulling for Bernie first and then Hilary.


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Just started reading Ghettoside. If you truly have trouble understanding what "black lives matter" means, this book might help. Highly recommended.


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Originally Posted By: Webley Webster
Just started reading Ghettoside. If you truly have trouble understanding what "black lives matter" means, this book might help. Highly recommended.


I'm from the ghetto, don't need to read no book about it.... ALL lives matter!


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Looks like GHettoside at least talks about black-on-black, too.

This from one of the comments on the book's web site:

Jill Leovy's theory, in a nutshell, is that "men [kill] one another to settle disputes or exact revenge in the absence of a trusted legal authority." Even as she details the awful statistics - in 1993, black men age 20-24 died by homicide at a rate of 368 per 100,000 - she maintains that the lack of police presence in minority neighborhoods drives young men to take matters into their own hands.


This is totally at odds w/the message of Black Lives {Taken By Police} Matter. Or w/those assholes marching around calling for dead cops.

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Looks like GHettoside at least talks about black-on-black, too.

This from one of the comments on the book's web site:

Jill Leovy's theory, in a nutshell, is that "men [kill] one another to settle disputes or exact revenge in the absence of a trusted legal authority." Even as she details the awful statistics - in 1993, black men age 20-24 died by homicide at a rate of 368 per 100,000 - she maintains that the lack of police presence in minority neighborhoods drives young men to take matters into their own hands.


This is totally at odds w/the message of Black Lives {Taken By Police} Matter.


No, actually it's not. Both this book and Black Lives Matter advocate for better policing. Not more, not less--better.

Almost done with the book, btw. Strongly recommended.

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Alabama officer charged w/murder after shooting man carrying paint roller handle.

Quote:
"You know I tip my hat to them because we do need them," Hinson said. "I just want to know if the protocol is to shoot an unarmed man down dead in front of somebody's house anytime they feel like it."

SNIP

Bailey said he believes Gunn's death is an "isolated incident," and asked the community not to criticize the city's police department.


Totally isolated. Except for all those others just like it, nation-wide.

Here's why BLM is important and is working - you're now hearing about all of these unarmed deaths, and the needle is swinging in the direction of justice rather than cover-up. The true effect will be when these incidents stop happening so regularly.


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Or the cover-up procedures are updated.


This guy was allegedly going for a STICK and got blown away.

Gotta use the throw away gun in this instance.


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So Mike, have you jumped from the Christie bandwagon to the Carson bandwagon?
My understanding about him was that he used the same government programs he decries to get where he is today.


Blast from the past. Remember when there was something of a Christie bandwagon?


... and still no quote from the article! I wonder why that is? cool frown blush crazy smirk smile grin laugh. Nope can't keep a straight face. I know exactly why.
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Originally Posted by mlbbirdfan

1. Why would any thinking person say: "I support Black Lives Matter" in the face of their support for brutal slayings of police officers?



On what basis do you assert 'their' support brutal slayings of police officers? Who, exactly, do you mean by 'they'?


Black Lives Matter: "Pigs in a blanket, fry 'em like bacon."

Black Lives Matter: "What do we want? Dead cops! When do we want it? NOW!"


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Fox had the leader of the BLM New York chapter on tonight. what a lowlife piece of shit he is.He said, " Now that we have the country by the balls, we are gonna get everything that we want.".... well they want black citizens to take over the jobs of law enforcement officers. No police just them out in the community with all of the power..... He also said that if they don't get what they want they are gona burn down the system....


This BLM group is a group of radical dumbocrats that want communism here.They want to overthrow the country.....WHEN Trump wins in November there is gonna be all kinds of trouble from them all across the country...If these useful idiots that are out there marching and supporting this group knew who they really are, they wouldn't be supporting them......See post linked from former poster above.......I mean gosh....just gosh


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(Some) Black Lives Matter is a very serious threat-much more than ANTIFA. The latter are just a bunch of white snowflakes turned rioters and can be criticized at least. You can also turn the law on them.(S)BLM, is a hardcore extremist outfit, but you can't criticize them and a lot of white dimwits support them because they are a black "civil rights" group and therefore benign.


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They're Marxists.


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Really? Groucho, Harpo or Chico?

I've always had an affection for Harpo myself.

mikezpen is right that people who espouse Black Lives Matter are a danger - to his politics.
The more that people buy into the slogan the greater chance that they will act in a real political way.
Persons who commit violence or property damage are a threat to the movement - and also a tiny minority.
They give Trump et al the excuse to attack action coming out of anger based on the destructive actions of a very few.
Conspiracy theories beside ("BLM, is a hardcore extremist outfit,") they are at most a loose association of activists but generally not even that.
A typical affiliate is pictured below.
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Pogo, they are run by hardcore extremists,Their violence is NOT the disorganized shenanigans of a few loose cannons. It's a wpn. in their arsenal, and it's working.I don't want to hear this "spontaneous outpouring" nonsense,You're right, it's a threat to my politics those of millions of others, and those of the people that made this country great.Your side considers that something to be destroyed. Watch out that your don't go with it.

Maybe you should read a few of the above.
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