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Re: "Black Lives Matter" [Re: mikezpen] #520171
03/09/2015 06:43
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Originally Posted By: mikezpen
You're confusing "movement" with one group of fanatics.


If that's true, then you confused "one group of fanatics" with the entire black race when you did your post claiming that black lives don't matter to blacks unless they're killed by the police.


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Re: "Black Lives Matter" [Re: Lee] #520182
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Thanks for a couple thoughtful replies, the usual spew aside, I have learned some things.

1. I get it; the reason why a person should support BLM is because black lives have been taken unfairly by police officers; and, if that is the objective, to call attention to this fact, it is a worthy objective.

I'm interested in the group, now. Several people talked as if it has "members" based on some criteria. I'm not sure that is accurate. I don't see any criteria on their Facebook Page, but I see 83,000+ people "like" BLM. Not insignificant numbers, for sure, but neither is it near as big as many counts on FB.

I don't see any criteria on their web page either.

THIS WAS A NICE CAPSULE FROM WIKI

Black Lives Matter is an activist movement in the United States that began in the wake of the July 2013 acquittal of George Zimmerman in the Florida shooting death of African-American teen Trayvon Martin. The Black Lives Matter movement campaigns against what it calls police brutality in the United States against African-Americans. The group received fresh impetus from the 2014 deaths of two unarmed African Americans, teenager Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri and 43 year old Eric Garner in New York City; in both cases the grand jury did not indict the officers and no charges were brought. Several unarmed African Americans who died at the hands of law enforcement have had their deaths protested by the movement, including Tamir Rice, Eric Harris, Walter Scott, and Freddie Gray (whose death sparked the 2015 Baltimore protests). Numerous media organizations have referred to it as "a new civil rights movement."[1][2][3]

The movement was co-founded by three black activists: Alicia Garza, Patrisse Cullors, and Opal Tometi.[4][5] Although the three run a stable website and organization, the overall Black Lives Matter movement is a decentralized network, and has no formal hierarchy or structure.[6] The movement reached national awareness with the protests and unrest in Ferguson in August 2014, although Garza, Cullors and Tometi were not initially involved in those events.[2][7]

The shooting of Walter Scott by a white policeman was recorded by a bystander, who contacted a local activist involved with Black Lives Matter; they, in turn, contacted Scott's family to take possession of the video. Soon after the video was released to the public, the officer was arrested and charged with murder. The case is pending.[8]


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Re: "Black Lives Matter" [Re: mlbbirdfan] #520183
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2. I certainly think there is adequate coverage of officers being killed. In fact, it might be over-blown, like many "trends" today.

That said, Lee, the data would indicate a good many officers killed in the line of duty, and the counts are sad. 100+ per year. I suppose that is a "pittance" compared to the total number of police officers. But the fear factor cannot be ignored, in an era of terror.

And, the numbers are not "down" from gunshots. They are equivalent, on a per month basis, in a small sample size ( 21 months 2014, and 8 months 2015)


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Re: "Black Lives Matter" [Re: mlbbirdfan] #520186
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Not a single response to the third question posed in my lead post? Sad.

Beth and I support our Camp Hill fire company, with donations to their fundraising events ( BBQ, and door to door ). Not big bucks. Support, though, across many years. I am told the police do not get any of these dollars, so this post is now edited.

We thank our police officers EVERY time we see them one-on-one, without fail. I know it is a small thing. But they know me (they do not know my wife from Eve), and they appreciate that I talk to a lot of neighbors and friends, always supporting them and the performance of their duties.

I have adopted a role of "correcting" local criticisms of police (fire, and other officials) when there is crap on FB that I know first hand is crap.

And finally, I am involved in my community, in depth, and in detail. I know probably half our 14 or 16 police officers by name; I know the chief well, and deeply respect his achievements, both to educate and improve himself as an officer, and to see that his men and women are properly trained, outfitted, and paid. They solve crimes, they prevent crimes, they protect me, my family, and our neighbors from dangers. I deeply appreciate it.

I acknowledge, I live in small town America. As a critique of me, or my answer, though, meh.

I repeat the question. What have YOU done to support any police officers, in say, the past year or so???

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Re: "Black Lives Matter" [Re: mlbbirdfan] #520188
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Originally Posted By: mlbbirdfan
And, the numbers are not "down" from gunshots. They are equivalent, on a per month basis, in a small sample size ( 21 months 2014, and 8 months 2015)


I compared 1/1/14-9/1/14 with the same dates in 2015, and deaths from gunshots in those periods were indeed down. I don't understand what your talking about with respect to 21 months in 2014. If you meant 12 months, I compared apples to apples by comparing the same periods in each year.

Most of the line=of-duty deaths weren't from officers being murdered. They include such things as automobile accidents and heart attacks, which may have nothing to do with the fact that the deceased was a law enforcement officer.


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Re: "Black Lives Matter" [Re: mlbbirdfan] #520189
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I pay my taxes, which pays their salaries. ;-)


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Re: "Black Lives Matter" [Re: mlbbirdfan] #520190
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What have I done? I pay taxes that pay their salary.

What should I do? Go knock on their doors?

What have you done to thank me for my service?


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Re: "Black Lives Matter" [Re: mlbbirdfan] #520191
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I suppose the real question is what is my own attitude towards the police officers in Baltimore, Ferguson, and wherever in FL George Zimmermann lives (not just my attitude towards the Camp Hill police).

Baltimore police brutality was well-documented by David Simon.
The police force has a bad attitude, so it seems.
I don't support that, I don't support public officials (or people on this chat board like Mikez) who through their racist attitudes or other demons, seem to condone it. It needs to be thoroughly cleaned up. That said, the good officers, who do their jobs, deserve stellar support!

I could run through similar thoughts about the other tinder box situations, but as a generality, it seems there is some bad karma right now, which in my view has arisen since 9/11 2001, which is causing all of us to be at each other's throats on this topic now, like so many others.

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Re: "Black Lives Matter" [Re: mlbbirdfan] #520192
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They get paid to do a job.

We don't need cheerleaders. Being polite and civil is something I think we owe everyone, not just a certain few.

That's the way I was raised, and it is what I practice.


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Re: "Black Lives Matter" [Re: John Lease] #520193
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It was a typo Lee. 12. not 21.


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