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Dimwit WH Chief of Staff #591472
01/11/2017 08:45
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John Kelly recently claimed that "the lack of an ability to compromise led to the Civil War, and men and women of good faith on both sides made their stand where their conscience had them make their stand."

I'm not sure what compromise on the right of one human being to enslave another Kelly envisions. I do understand that his strange, ignorant opinion "tracks or resembles the view of the Civil War that the South had finally got the nation to embrace by the early 20th century. It's the Jim Crow version of the causes of the Civil War" (McCurry, historian and author of Confederate Reckoning).

This is not some obscure professor unearthed by Fox News to enrage mikezpen and his like. This is one of the most highly placed figures in our government arguing that some sort of compromise over the right of one human being to enslave another was possible, and that those who rebelled against their country to fight to protect the right of one human being to enslave another were honorable people whose consciences told them to fight to protect the right of one human being to enslave another.

[censored] John Kelly.


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Re: Dimwit WH Chief of Staff [Re: Webley Webster] #591482
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"Yet, if God wills that it continue until all the wealth piled by the bondsman's two hundred and fifty years of unrequited toil shall be sunk, and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash shall be paid by another drawn with the sword, as was said three thousand years ago, so still it must be said "the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether."

There were compromisers, like Stephen Douglas. But Lincoln, who did not want war, knew what it was about.

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WW, we needed to end slavery and not compromise w/it. If that's what he meant,then I don't agree w/him.But as wrong as I think that view is, there is no equivalence with what some college profs are doing.

He doesn't stand up in front of a captive student audience in a classroom day after day and pound these kids on the evils of America and white people. I doubt if Mr. Kelly radicalized anybody into being a neo-Confederate w/his remarks.But seeing children act like maniacs of college campuses around this country shows that nitwit radical professors ARE having a serious effect on the next generation.

I've never seen one of you liberals-other than maybe Pogo- show the presence of mind to remotely criticize any the people whose ridiculous views I present here.You either laugh it off, ridicule, or actually defend those positions.This woman is an absolute fool who should be laughed out of academia.

I intend to keep posting about this. You don't have to read it. But a couple of conservatives will. And there are other people who mite read this board who aren't even members and they may get something out of it.

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Yeah, until your rightwing talk radio icons stop their every daily racist, mysoginistic diatribe against liberals, your reporting of professors is hypocritical. Students can transfer to other professors. They aren't captives. I bet that at rightwing colleges and religious schools there are conservative professors indocrinating students.


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Re: Dimwit WH Chief of Staff [Re: mikezpen] #591510
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The problem with all this is, you don't write about any professors' opinions. You write about some right-wing shill's (usually grossly inaccurate) characterization of the professors' opinions. You are too damn lazy to actually find out what these professors think; you just accept brazen propaganda as fact. Calling you a sheep is an insult to sheep; they are more discerning than you are.

I don't know what most of these academics believe, since I haven't read their work. Again, neither do you, but only one of us is shameless enough to flaunt his ignorance by offering an opinion on something he knows nothing about.

I do know enough about the Civil War to say Kelly's characterization of it is ignorant and dangerous. And since he's in a position to impact the lives of millions if not billions of people, I'd say only a fool would think his idiocy is less destructive than whatever some two-bit academic teaching a few dozen students a semester may--or more likely, may not--believe.


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"On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their hearts' desire at last, and the White House will be occupied by a downright fool and narcissistic moron. " --H.L. Mencken
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till Trump lynches somebody????

I already talked about Kelly's views.I really don't know how many millions of people are affected by his views on the topic.I'm sure the media w/b full of self-righteous outrage from liberals, calling for his firing.Trump s/ignore it.

But that dimwit prof and many like her are warping a generation. They are far more of a threat to America.

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Re: Dimwit WH Chief of Staff [Re: mikezpen] #591523
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That's all you got from that history lesson? Not surprised in the least.


"On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their hearts' desire at last, and the White House will be occupied by a downright fool and narcissistic moron. " --H.L. Mencken
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I read it, WW. But I already told you that I don't agree w/Kelly's views. What do you want, a statement written and signed in blood?

I also said that radicalizing thousands of kids on college campuses is far more dangerous than Kelly's misguided opinions about the Civil War.


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And I say rightwing talk radio is both insidious and dangerous. It keeps Righties angry at Liberals and promotes mysoginistic and racist themes.


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