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Covid in the house

Posted By: martin

Covid in the house - 03/02/2021 00:56

My wife and Zach tested positive today.They both got sick on saturday afternoon/night. Both had fever and headaches. Zach has a sore throat and a cough....Wife has cough and is tired....Neither has fever now.... Last Monday when I found out that one of my wife's coworkers had tested positive, I moved to the other side of the house.She teased me about it until Saturday. I have no symptoms and feel great, I've been working as usual but I am wearing a mask every time that I get out which is not often. I almost peed in my pants this afternoon because I didn't want to stop at a business.I'm not going to be drinking water much tomorrow....

They seem to have the worst behind them. Zach laughed when they called to tell us that he was positive. He said that now he'll be able to tell his children that he had covid in 2021... I told him that I just hope that he'll be able to tell them that his dad didn't get it.....
Posted By: John Lease

Re: Covid in the house - 03/02/2021 01:22

Guess it isn't a hoax.

Hope you all get better soon.
Posted By: martin

Re: Covid in the house - 04/02/2021 00:56

Thanks John......... It's setting in on me now..... weakness and a cough.... If I don't keep posting in the future.... check obits....
Posted By: John Lease

Re: Covid in the house - 04/02/2021 01:05

Originally Posted by martin
Thanks John......... It's setting in on me now..... weakness and a cough.... If I don't keep posting in the future.... check obits....


Hey, think positively, get your rest, and follow the doctors orders.

You'll get thru this, let me know if you need anything Martin. Hope Zach and the missus are doing better soon too.
Posted By: martin

Re: Covid in the house - 04/02/2021 01:47

Thanks again John... I was kinda teasing, Ofcourse it's nothing to joke about but I'm in decent shape and the wife and zach's symptoms have been on the mild side... This is a different feeling that i've had when a flu has set in.This is draining.... no breathing problems of shortness of breath, nothing like that but just weakening,,,, I'll be ok...
Posted By: carolina

Re: Covid in the house - 04/02/2021 13:37

Martin, if you have any questions you can pm me. My wife is a nurse at the local health dept. and can probably answer any questions you have.
Posted By: martin

Re: Covid in the house - 04/02/2021 15:02

Thanks Carolina..... I feel much better this morning. It was almost like the virus kept getting more intense until I went to bed.I've never seen an intense fever like that. It was 102 and then when I went to bed and was still for a while and it seemed to let up. I woke up sweating like crazy about 4 hours later.I have my strength back this morning too. No real symptoms now, but I'm going to have to stay home for atleast a week.I feel guilty working my brother and driver while I sit at home, but I just can't risk giving this to anyone else.

I haven't had a flu in 5 years. I had a 24 hour stomach flu then and it was much worse than this....
Posted By: pogo

Re: Covid in the house - 04/02/2021 20:44

I actually sympathize. No one should have to go through this.
I am tempted to make several political points but I will control myself as I have come down on you for doing exactly that.

Our very healthy 30 year old neighbors went through a week of, literally, symptomatic crap, similar to what you describe with additional disgusting specifics.
Their two year old wasn't bothered in the least.
They are back at work as teachers (mostly remote.)
Take care of your loved ones.

My wife got her first shot. Mine will probably be next week.
Posted By: John Lease

Re: Covid in the house - 06/02/2021 01:03

Sounds like you are getting better, that's good.
Posted By: martin

Re: Covid in the house - 10/02/2021 23:48

Lord have mercy.... this is the worst thing that I've ever had.... last time that I had a fever was friday so monday I started doing a bit more and then yesterday I did a little bit more.... it KNOCKED my A^^ out!.. Fever back, I can't even walk from the guest room to the other side of the house with giving out. I had worried that my oxygen levels must be low so I had my brother get me a pulse oximeter that measures your oxygen levels....

My doctor said that I just need to rest and take vitamins....Might take another week or so to get back...
Posted By: carolina

Re: Covid in the house - 11/02/2021 22:57

The wife says that if your oxygen level falls below 95% you should go to the ER.
Posted By: BaseBawl

Re: Covid in the house - 13/02/2021 00:58

Two days without a Martin check-in.
Posted By: martin

Re: Covid in the house - 13/02/2021 18:40

I'm still alive... Internet went out and had to wait for a new modem.... I'm feeling better but can't do much of anything... no fever though..
Posted By: BaseBawl

Re: Covid in the house - 13/02/2021 22:03

Scary run.
Posted By: martin

Re: Covid in the house - 13/02/2021 22:58

Thank y'all for the concern and well wishes. I clearly misjudged Covid after getting it and thought that I was just so tough that it wasn't going to keep me down. After I had it for 5 days I still felt strong and could go anywhere that I wanted to go. But On Tuesday it knocked me for a loop. I have never had anything this bad, never felt this bad in my life, I haven't had headaches or fever in the past two days but I still can't even walk across the house without giving out. It's almost like someone has wrapped duct tape around me from my shoulders to my waist....

I've been checking my oxygen levls and they have remained around 98% with my heart rate around 70 So I don't think I'm near death but I just can't do anything.....
Posted By: pogo

Re: Covid in the house - 14/02/2021 02:09

Got my shot. Headache and wickedly sore arm.
The administration of a couple of IPAs seems to have cured it.

A lot better than martin and the sufferers. Hope that you and family get through okay.
Cheers from Ohio.
Posted By: martin

Re: Covid in the house - 21/02/2021 16:38

This has turned into a nightmare for me.... Still can't walk more than 20 ft across the house without giving out......Looks like what they call long covid which can take months if ever to recover from..... If I'm not much better by the end of this week, it might be time to shut the business down, because my brother can't keep this up and he wants to retire.....I'm worried that damage has been done to my heart and other organs and I may not live much longer......
Posted By: BaseBawl

Re: Covid in the house - 21/02/2021 17:02

Wholesale coffin price at least.
Posted By: BaseBawl

Re: Covid in the house - 21/02/2021 17:03

Can't your brother hire people?
Posted By: martin

Re: Covid in the house - 21/02/2021 21:00

I want the cheapest casket that we have with direct burial. no embalming,,, buried the same day that i die...have written out directions to help wife find accounts.things that i have that she doesn't know about...

My brother is turning 62 this week, Been upset for a while now because he hadn't had enough time to spend at his junkyard,,,,It's tough to find people that will work for $10 an hour and when you can they aren't that reliable.....
Posted By: BaseBawl

Re: Covid in the house - 21/02/2021 21:54

Would the business still be profitable if you paid $15? That's only $200 more a week.
Posted By: martin

Re: Covid in the house - 22/02/2021 01:57

Originally Posted by BaseBawl
Would the business still be profitable if you paid $15? That's only $200 more a week.


Yeah the business is very profitable these last two years.This spike in deaths have been very good to us. It would be more than just another $ 200 a week, the payroll taxes and the workers comp plus just more BS that you have to deal with.If I'm out, the overtime that we would have to pay would be huge too. Most weekends and holidays , I'm out there delivering.If our driver is out in SB,I sometimes get up early around 4am and get going to get the deliveries made......My brother didn't even realize how much that I was doing until I got sick.I've always just gone to work whether I've felt good or not...

This is tough, I hope that I am just real slow to beat this, I might wait another week or so, but if this is long haul covid, I'm gonna sell the business or shut it down until I heal up... Just thankful that we've saved our money.....Did learn from reading online that one of the things with this is that blood stays in the legs and if you prop your feet up that it helps when you stand up...
Posted By: Lee

Re: Covid in the house - 22/02/2021 03:08

Have you been to see a good doctor?
Posted By: pogo

Re: Covid in the house - 22/02/2021 16:37

Our first acquaintance who got it was laid really low, although it sounds like you got it worse.
He is president of a small company and (I would guess) is in his young 50s.
He is also the elected head of our local Community Development Corporation.
Two months after he had it (in April) we had a small (10 person) widely spaced meeting in our back yard.
We were al suprised that he had had Covid. Weakness and symptoms were such that he said that this was the first time that he had left his house. He had two full workups to check for residual effects..
Like you, he said that he was not sure that he would ever get over it - but he had. Still quite tired. But with as sharp a mind as ever.
This was before news about people getting heart problems had come out. A mutual friend said that he has continued getting - slowly - better
I hear stories like his and yours and am even more supportative of making control mechanisms a priority, whatever it is doing to business.
Sounds like depression is a problem for you. Do talk to loved ones and if you can bite your male macho lip even a professional.

But most of all, follow Lee's advice. Tele-medicine is cheap and your knowledge of symptoms is the first thing they want to know. Do it. Anything is better than it impacting your whole life.

I get my second shot in two weeks. Anthony Fauci said that the Moderna vacc (what I got/will get) really knocked him out for a couple of days. Better than your story.
Posted By: martin

Re: Covid in the house - 22/02/2021 16:57

Yeah pogo, yesterday I was depressed and I never get depressed Today I feel some better.I'm watching my heart rate and oxygen levels. The oxygen levels have always been good, but when I'm sitting the pulse is 68-74... then before today everytime that I got up my heart would quickly go up to 95 and sometimes over 100, just walking 10 ft.Then when I would sit back down, would go back to the mid 60's to low 70;s.....Today though the pulse rate is only going to the mid 80's when I walk around. I walked outside to the truck which is not far and I was give out when I got back, but heart rate was still in the 80;s. Today is the first day in about a week that I don't feel chest pressure around the heart area...

I've been researching LONG covid or long hawl covid and there needs to be more reporting on it....I called my doctor two weeks ago when it hit me again in the second week. She gave me a steroid pack and told me to take vitamin D3, vitamin c and zink...I hope that none of y'all get this.
Posted By: BaseBawl

Re: Covid in the house - 05/03/2021 12:30

Some options for you.
Emory long haul.

Piedmont
Posted By: martin

Re: Covid in the house - 05/03/2021 18:16

Originally Posted by BaseBawl
Some options for you.
Emory long haul.

Piedmont


THANKS BAWL!...I went to the doctor and she doesn't think that I have long covid YET. She wanted me to rest for two more weeks and told me to take something to help me sleep at night. Last Saturday i took zach and went to our macon warehouse for the first time in three weeks. I couldn't do much of anything on saturday, then on Monday after taking the sleeping aide I felt better and was able to deliver a couple of caskets about 40 miles away. I've been sleeping very well and working part time this week.I delivered 4 yesterday but just two this morning. I'm just going on the short orders and my brother is doing the longer orders. I'm gonna go to our statesboro warehouse in the morning. for the first time in over three weeks.....

I'm probably about 50% back, i feel better but i just can't stand for very long and can't do much at one time. It's crazy and unlike anything that i've ever seen, at some points during the day i feel stronger and then an hour or so later I'm not as strong. Y'all can make fun of me on this if you want but i've also had some experience with brain fog or short term memory loss too. when i get in an order now I have to call my brother or text our driver immediately or I might forget the order. ....I am getting better just slowly though.
Posted By: mikezpen

Re: Covid in the house - 05/03/2021 19:56

Got my 1st COVID shot yesterday, and I'll admit I had misgivings.But other than the fact that I'm apparently growing breasts, I'm fine.
Posted By: martin

Re: Covid in the house - 05/03/2021 20:40

Originally Posted by mikezpen
Got my 1st COVID shot yesterday, and I'll admit I had misgivings.But other than the fact that I'm apparently growing breasts, I'm fine.



I heard that the people that get real sick from the shots are the ones that have already had covid and in some cases didn't even know that they had it..... I'm not going to get a vaccine until all seniors and at risk people get it and i need to wait atleast 3 to 4 months now....
Posted By: pogo

Re: Covid in the house - 07/03/2021 21:05

Unfortunately, "I heard" doesn't cut the mustard as a medical opinion.
Being a little paranoid re side affects, causes thereof, how they correlate with various conditions, and the differences among the various vaccines I have been looking at around a half dozen articles a day.
In fact your description is flatly contradicted by every article that I have seen that discusses the subject.
And by "contradicted" I mean that the exact reverse of your "I heard" is what studies have reported.
Vaccination side affects among those previously affected are mild to non-existent.
Admittedly I've only seen your specific mentioned a few times. But if anything like your "I heard" had happened I have a hunch that it would have been mentioned in the couple of hundred articles and reports that
I've seen.

On the other hand, there are reports that Covid in India,& other areas of South Asia & of North Africa is significantly milder than in the US and Europe, with as little as a tenth or even a hundredth of deaths per reported cases of infection.
The best theory is that some mild similar virus previously occurred and gave relative immunity. We are talking about persons actually getting the disease, so it isn't just that deaths & serious occasions haven't been reported
Lack of reporting might explain the relative scarcity of cases (also true) but not how it affected persons who actually did come down with it & were studied.
The other major theory is that there are environmental factors. But that doesn't explain why India and not (for example) South Africa has many similar conditions but a high percentage of deaths.
Here's a LINK

edit: Spouse had two shots of Phizer & had zero reactions. smirk I've had one Moderna and had a sore arm.
Posted By: Lee

Re: Covid in the house - 07/03/2021 22:00

Pogo, the theory about India that you mention sounds like the origins of vaccination, including the word itself. Somebody noticed that people who worked closely with cows seemed either immune to smallpox or to get much less severe cases of it People exposed to cowpox have only very mild symptoms, so they started deliberately injecting people with cowpox, and sure enough it worked against smallpox. The word vaccination is based upon the Latin word for cow -- like the Spanish word vaca.
Posted By: martin

Re: Covid in the house - 07/03/2021 23:39

covid is different than anything that i've seen.... had good days last week, then yesterday went to SB.... today not so good.... it just keeps on....
Posted By: pogo

Re: Covid in the house - 08/03/2021 01:53

Good luck. And may you use your time off to broaden your perspectives on the world.
Posted By: carolina

Re: Covid in the house - 08/03/2021 13:04

https://www.wfmynews2.com/article/n...507-9a2eb09d-c857-4e98-907c-4f4230a49472
Posted By: martin

Re: Covid in the house - 08/03/2021 13:25




Hope this works for future patients.Wish that I could've had something like that...some online have claimed that Niacin combined with vitamin D and zink helps about 40% of the long haulers....I haven't been in a store since Feb 3rd but I'm going to get niacin today.
Posted By: BaseBawl

Re: Covid in the house - 08/03/2021 13:54

"Some online?" There are medical practices that are specializing in treating this. I posted two in Georgia. Why would you do other than seek their advice? It's like going to the post office for colon cancer.
Posted By: martin

Re: Covid in the house - 08/03/2021 19:47

Originally Posted by BaseBawl
"Some online?" There are medical practices that are specializing in treating this. I posted two in Georgia. Why would you do other than seek their advice? It's like going to the post office for colon cancer.


You have a great point there bawl. Can't argue with you on it.... i'm trying to do everything that I can to find a solution without going to those specialists. One thing too, I have a good day like today, and I think that i'm getting better, then a bad day when I think I'm dying. Yesterday I wrote down my wishes for my funeral, that's how bad I felt at one point.I slept well last night and was able to deliver three this morning although one was in Macon and the other two was about 50 miles up the road..

You're right though, If this niacin doesn't help in about a week I'll call one of the two that you linked. I do appreciate you taking the time to find and link them for me. It says a lot about you as a person that you'd do that for someone that you disagree with.
Posted By: BaseBawl

Re: Covid in the house - 08/03/2021 19:54

I might need a casket some day.
Posted By: martin

Re: Covid in the house - 08/03/2021 22:45

Originally Posted by BaseBawl
I might need a casket some day.



That's funny.... Hope that's a LONG time away but hey if i'm still living and still in the business, tell wifebawl to call me and I'll actually bring one at cost to Pa.....

This actually brings up another topic and that's the high cost of funerals. How many of y'all have actually sat down with your family and discussed your wishes? I just yesterday told my wife what songs that I want at my funeral.... Funerals are so expensive and these funeral homes have huge markups....You should shop around for a better price no matter what your wishes are. The prices vary greatly on the same stuff from one funeral home to the other. One of our customers does a complete minimum metal funeral for 4695 and others charge 12k for the exact same funeral. Most funeral homes now mark their caskets up about 300% but in some cases it can be 1000%. We had one case here years ago where the family told the funeral director that they wanted a blue going home casket.... FD paid us $365 for the unit and charged the family $4995 just for that casket... Family paid almost as much state sales tax as he paid us.....

Don't allow your families to be ripped off, cremations vary from $695 to $5500..... Don't PAY any money on a pre need contract because if the funeral home closes or sells out, your money could be gone or they often downgrade the casket if your loved ones aren't there with photos.... make your wishes known to your family and tell them not to let the FD rip them off when you die... didn't mean to get on this rant but please don't allow your family to be ripped off....
Posted By: BaseBawl

Re: Covid in the house - 08/03/2021 23:23

Reasonable advice. We're cheap bastards. Donate or torch the remains, and have a picnic.
Posted By: John Lease

Re: Covid in the house - 08/03/2021 23:44

Originally Posted by pogo
Good luck. And may you use your time off to broaden your perspectives on the world.


Pogo, you are an optimistic guy
Posted By: martin

Re: Covid in the house - 13/03/2021 02:54

Hopefully this will be my final update.... If y'all know anyone that gets this, advise them to stay home and rest for two weeks and not try to do much even if they feel strong.... and to take niacin and an antihistimine.I started taking those two things earlier this week along with the rest of the vitamins That I had been taking.... It has made a big difference.I feel much better, probably about 60% back now.....I delivered two in macon this morning, came home and rested and then this afternoon i delivered 3 and it was over a 100 miles away... No problems...... was able to load and unload without any problems. Still can't stand on my feet for a long time but I'm back to work and feeling better....

Went back to the doctor yesterday on a follow-up, she said that I should not get a vaccine for three months after having it....Just told me not to overdo....
Posted By: BaseBawl

Re: Covid in the house - 13/03/2021 03:09

Your team still sucks. laugh
Posted By: mikezpen

Re: Covid in the house - 13/03/2021 16:33

I get my second shot next wk. I think. No side effects, either.

It's a shame that people-blacks particularly-are afraid of the vaccine.People will die. As I said before. Thank the Dems, Kamala comes to mind here, and their mindless hatred of Trump for that.And thank the Trump-hating leftist morons in the media for stoking that fear.These people poisoned the water.

Here's a little sample of their thinking.
https://theundefeated.com/features/half-of-black-adults-say-they-wont-take-a-coronavirus-vaccine.

And a sample of the sample.
“I’m hearing Trump and he’s trying to pressure these drug companies to expedite this vaccine for this virus,” Bell said, “and because of the way he’s been talking about non-whites, it might very well be something to get rid of us.”

So, more blacks will die, just as I predicted. The KKK must be laughing its ass off.
Posted By: Lee

Re: Covid in the house - 14/03/2021 06:26

Originally Posted by mikezpen
I get my second shot next wk. I think. No side effects, either.

It's a shame that people-blacks particularly-are afraid of the vaccine.People will die. As I said before. Thank the Dems, Kamala comes to mind here, and their mindless hatred of Trump for that.And thank the Trump-hating leftist morons in the media for stoking that fear.These people poisoned the water.

Here's a little sample of their thinking.
https://theundefeated.com/features/half-of-black-adults-say-they-wont-take-a-coronavirus-vaccine.

And a sample of the sample.
“I’m hearing Trump and he’s trying to pressure these drug companies to expedite this vaccine for this virus,” Bell said, “and because of the way he’s been talking about non-whites, it might very well be something to get rid of us.”

So, more blacks will die, just as I predicted. The KKK must be laughing its ass off.



Pretty ironic that you post about blacks being afraid of the vaccine, and that you blame Kamala Harris. She publicly got vaccinated, as did many black leaders that you hate, including Al Sharpton and Barack and Michelle Obama. Know who got vaccinated, but did so in secret? Your hero, Donald Trump and his wife. And know what group is most reluctant to get vaccinated? REPUBLICAN MEN. Fully 34% of Republican men don't intend to get vaccinated. Here's a sample of their brilliant thinking:
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Gabriel Smithson, a 52-year-old Republican and father of four who lives in Tennessee, doesn't intend to take the vaccine, and his wife, Alice Smithson, won't either. He said that one of his children became sick after getting the flu shot years ago, and that's part of the reason he and his family count themselves among the COVID-19 vaccine skeptics. ... "This is a brand new vaccine," Smithson said. "I'm not going to jeopardize my health, I'm not going to put my kids in harm's way. ... I don't want to play guinea pig."
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-vaccine-republican-hesitancy/

Among Republican men, reluctance to get vaccinated was far higher than among blacks. Among Republican men, 49% said that would refuse to get vaccinated. Among Trump supporters, it was 47%. Among Biden supporters, only 10% would refuse to be vaccinated. Only 25% of black Americans said they would refuse to be vaccinated, which is actually lower than the 28% among white Americans.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/nichol...ump-voters-are-near-top/?sh=18a7da3b4947

And yet you post criticizing blacks and Kamala Harris for reluctance to get vaccinated. And you seem to be blissfully ignorant of the fact that blacks have a REASON to not fully trust government health programs. Or have you never heard of the Tuskegee experiment -- an experiment that was continued until 1972, and was worthy of something out of Nazi Germany. Perhaps not in the beginning, when there was no effective treatment for syphilis, but certainly after it became known that penicillin was an effective treatment, thus letting these men unknowingly infect their sexual partners and children. If you can point to a similar example where Republican men were used as guinea pigs, then perhaps I might admit that there was a tiny bit of justification for Republican reluctance to be vaccinated. But of course, you can't.

Thousands, if not millions of people will die because of Donald Trump's refusal to set a good example by getting vaccinated publicly and openly wearing a mask. They will disproportionately be his supporters, but he doesn't give a damn, because he has made it abundantly clear that he doesn't give a damn about anyone other than himself (and perhaps members of his immediate family). But you still worship the ground he walks on because he hates the same people you do, and because all you are is the sum of your hatreds. And you wonder why we say you're a racist!
Posted By: BaseBawl

Re: Covid in the house - 14/03/2021 08:37

Republicans are huge fans of Darwin. You have to admire them for their self selection.
Posted By: John Lease

Re: Covid in the house - 14/03/2021 17:16

Originally Posted by BaseBawl
Republicans are huge fans of Darwin. You have to admire them for their self selection.


For being pro life, they sure root for death and disability.
Posted By: mikezpen

Re: Covid in the house - 14/03/2021 19:56

I don't defend not getting vaccinated.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/05/kamala-harris-covid-vaccine-safety-trump-election

Uh, Harris said right off the bat that she wouldn't trust any vac. done under Trump unless approved by credible source.That's what people saw. and heard. The fact that she finally gets a shot is real nice PR-after the fact, but first impressions are hard to overcome.And others on the left made the same sort of silly statements.It was TRUMP'S .vaccine So, since "important" people like Kamala nixed the vaccine, and others, black and white, listened.Trump on the other hand boosted the vaccine and didn't create doubts about it.. You think his not wearing a mask will kill millions. That is ridiculous-but not surprising from the likes of you haters.ANY vaccines approved for the public w/b tested and ok'd be a reliable source.That's a given.There attacks were political and baseless-and they cost lives.

Maybe you remember another publicized epidemic-the 1974 Swine Flu. Nixon/Ford were president then. I don't recall anything like the attacks on that vaccine. Why? Because the Dems. didn't politicize it. I don't know if blacks took the vaccine then, but I bet a higher percentage of them did than are getting vaccinated now-and the misuse of medicine against them was pretty fresh then.

Face it, Lee. Your side politicized and demonized the amazing TRUMP development of the COVID vaccine, and your side has killed people who trusted you over the president. Look in the mirror pal.
Posted By: martin

Re: Covid in the house - 14/03/2021 23:35

I know quite a few of our black customers that are not getting it because they are worried about the long term effects.


I have a couple of questions for those of you that have had the vaccines.... did you have any side effects from the shots, especially the second shot?.... Are you now going back out living your life like you did before? Do you still wear a mask when going out?

It seems as if there is a lot more people out on the roads this weekend than I've seen in a long time.... I'm ready to take a couple of weekends and go somewhere, just tired of staying home and to be honesty glad to be alive....
Posted By: carolina

Re: Covid in the house - 15/03/2021 01:04

I have had two shots of the Phizer vaccine and the only side effect was a little bit of soreness in the arm. Similar to what you might feel from a flu shot. That is it. I continue to wear a mask in public.
Posted By: pogo

Re: Covid in the house - 15/03/2021 17:07

Had my second Moderna three days ago. Quite sore arm, did not sleep well, achy in the joints (gotta stop patronizing those joints) and tired for a day and a half.
Miz pogo, as I think I mentioned previously, got her Phizers and didn't even have the decency to have a sore arm. She referred to her vaccs as "my placebos."

Lee quoted the real statistics. I had heard previously that the rate of vacc. refusal among African-Americans was actually no worse than among palefaces.
Lee's stats for Republicans shows why.
And why was Vice President Harris'' initial statement anything but justified? Multiple sources reported that the Trumpers were exerting every pressure possible to get immediate approval of the vaccines.
I sure as hell would have waited until I was sure that the medical approval board was reviewing the science and not bowing to pressure before I got shot up.
As it worked out there was no caving and by the time they got around to me the science was clear.

So why again is Trump still in a snoot and not telling his minions to get vaccinated? (Rhetoriical question re a self centered idiot.)
He is exposing the martins of the world to agony. And the rest of our not yet vaccinated loved ones to disease and life threatening symptoms.
Posted By: mikezpen

Re: Covid in the house - 15/03/2021 17:31

I'm glad that blacks have not nixed the vac. en masse.If I was wrong, I'm glad I'm wrong.But I'm not wrong on blaming the left for some of the deaths.

The media and other elements of the far left had demonized Trump for three years with all kinds of ridiculous charges and assertions.Half the nation thinks EVERYTHING connected with him is akin to Satan. She piled on with her 2 cents worth. You don't shoot your mouth off until you know. As we say, words have consequences.A lot of misguided fools believed, as that woman I quoted, that Trump was trying to hurt "people of color" with everything he did. I said back last year that poisoning the waters in this fashion would cost lives, and I think it has.Of course you will defend the leftwing vaccine deniers absolutely and blame Trump.That's standard fare.
Posted By: Lee

Re: Covid in the house - 15/03/2021 23:19

At least your signature line makes sense. Trump DIDN'T win! Nothing else that you say reflects anything other than your roiling mass of hatreds.
Posted By: John Lease

Re: Covid in the house - 16/03/2021 00:36

Originally Posted by Lee
At least your signature line makes sense. Trump DIDN'T win! Nothing else that you say reflects anything other than your roiling mass of hatreds.


There are a lot
Posted By: mikezpen

Re: Covid in the house - 16/03/2021 13:53

You are in no position to lecture on hate.
Posted By: Lee

Re: Covid in the house - 16/03/2021 14:23

Originally Posted by mikezpen
You are in no position to lecture on hate.


Says the guy who keeps a treasured copy of Mein Kampf.
Posted By: mikezpen

Re: Covid in the house - 16/03/2021 19:23

Got a $thousand? That's what that edition is worth.

But you are nevertheless a hater.Just because people post stuff you don't like.You don't have a tenth of the animosity toward criminals who riot in the streets (other than those of Jan. 6).
Posted By: Lee

Re: Covid in the house - 16/03/2021 20:20

Originally Posted by mikezpen
Got a $thousand? That's what that edition is worth.

But you are nevertheless a hater.Just because people post stuff you don't like.You don't have a tenth of the animosity toward criminals who riot in the streets (other than those of Jan. 6).



So if you could get $1,000 for it, why haven't you sold it? Evidently because you value having it as worth even more than that. As for your comment about criminals in the streets, you are quite simply lying. But that's not surprising, since you consider peaceful people demonstrating against racism (which the vast majority of the demonstrators to be criminals.

The fact remains that you're perfectly happy to criticize Kamala Harris for what you think is encouraging people not getting vaccinated, even though she set a good example by getting vaccinated herself in public, but you refuse to criticize Donald Trump for getting vaccinated in secret. And you criticize black people for being reluctant to get vaccinated, but refuse to criticize male Republicans for the same thing, even though they are far more reluctant to be vaccinated than blacks.

I realize that you hate my guts. I welcome your hatred. It's a badge of honor.
Posted By: martin

Re: Covid in the house - 16/03/2021 22:49

Oh gee... Lee yells racism again.......
Posted By: John Lease

Re: Covid in the house - 16/03/2021 23:43

Originally Posted by Lee
Originally Posted by mikezpen
You are in no position to lecture on hate.


Says the guy who keeps a treasured copy of Mein Kampf.


Yeah, that's a 'tell'.
Posted By: mikezpen

Re: Covid in the house - 17/03/2021 19:09

He hates me, Martin. I don't hate him.I don't even dislike him. He's just wrong.

He still hasn't answered by argument other than to say, Trump's to blame and the fact that I'm blaming blacks for not getting vaccinated even though more whites are avoiding it makes me a racist. Alright, I blame both-ok?

.I don't resent blacks for not getting vacs.-I feel sorry that some listened to their antiracist friends like Kamala Harris and other leftists The left is furious that the Trump administration was able to work for the development of a vaccine long before anyone thought he could.I guess they were hoping some socialist outfit in Europe would save the world. But Trump's vaccine was first So they trashed it. I know that the conservative side is resisting masks and vaccination and that is stupid too.
Posted By: pogo

Re: Covid in the house - 17/03/2021 19:56

To speak to a couple of mikezpen points.
1. I think that I spoke quite clearly to the ongoing slur that it was hate for Trump that made people wary of Covid. A little bias perhaps? But righties take anything to the left of Attila the Hun as being doubtful. Quote from an earlier post,
"And why was Vice President Harris'' initial statement anything but justified? Multiple sources reported that the Trumpers were exerting every pressure possible to get immediate approval of the vaccines.
I sure as hell would have waited until I was sure that the medical approval board was reviewing the science and not bowing to pressure before I got shot up.
As it worked out there was no caving and by the time they got around to me (and Kamala) the science was clear."

2. Personally I do have a hatred and revulsion. against anything associated with or connected to anything Nazi. The only reason that I could touch or be present around something like a Mein Kampf would be to shred, burn, destroy or in some other way make my feelings known.
Insofar as I have any academic claims or connections they are to history having an undergrad degree, a little teaching experience, some graduate work and a lifelong addiction to reading it.
So I do in a theoretical sense understand a connection to a historical artifact. Things did not murder people. The people that wrote or used them did. But the thought of having a Mein Kampf as a valued object or investment makes my skin crawl.
It is personal, but should be shared by every American, European or person of good will.
As a kid lots of my friends were Jewish, as have been many of my friends through life, including a couple of girlfriends.
An elderly lady named Mrs. Asche was sort of a doting stepaunt to me as a kid. My parents lodged her for a while because persoms with German accents were not popular in the 50s.
She had a concentration Camp tatoo from I do not know which camp. My sister told me not to talk about it.
The thought of memorabilia from the shit who would kill those who I have liked and loved makes me clench my teeth as I sit here.
So I would like to associate myself with the nasty comments by John L, Lee or anyone else re your possesion. Have the good taste and moral gumption to get rid of that piece of crap (i am doing honest crap a disservice by using the word.)
I will give you the benefit of the doubt that somehow you have the particular moral blindness to not understand why you are sublect to such nastiness.Just so you know.
Posted By: John Lease

Re: Covid in the house - 18/03/2021 01:08

Pogo, was your father in WWII?

Mine was, and the idea that anyone reveres Nazis is repulsive to me.

It's not even close. My dad was at the liberation of Dachau and had horrible screaming nightmares for years afterward.

I never heard about it from him, my grandma told me when I was probably in middle school age.

MikeZ thinks it's a valuable historical artifact. There were millions of them published, it's mainly valuable for people who worship that kind of sickness.
Posted By: martin

Re: Covid in the house - 18/03/2021 01:25

I would think Lee would come forward and deny that he actually hates Mike if that was not true. He hasn't commented and I hope it's just a matter that he has not read this thread yet...We disagree, have for a long time but there's no need for anyone to hate anyone else here or anywhere else....
Posted By: BaseBawl

Re: Covid in the house - 18/03/2021 09:39

Lee has NEVER come to the defense of the poor desiccated alien creature in Area 51. What kind of xenophobia does that entail?
Posted By: pogo

Re: Covid in the house - 18/03/2021 17:08

My dad volunteered for the army twice. The first time he was honest about his profession. The second he tried to hide it.
He was a chemical engineer building oil refineries at the time. They laughed at the idea that he would serve the country better in the army and was refused.
Posted By: mikezpen

Re: Covid in the house - 18/03/2021 20:41

Harris and a lot of other people s/have kept their mouths shut no matter what "multiple sources" said.There's no way a vaccine could get out into this country w/o testing and approval by the experts.It just can't. They all knew that. But they hated anything connected with Trump. It just HAD to be bad.

Pogo, Lee and others dislike me for my views, not because I have a copy of Mein Kampf. Years ago, I think I was liked by pretty much everyone here, but that is long gone.Lee, mlb, ET, DB...people I really liked and got along well with, probably wouldn't even speak to me now.Why? I've done nothing to them. It's because they don't like my views. Well, too bad! I don't like theirs-or yours- either. I think they are utterly destructive of this country. But that said, I'm just not going to hate you or them over political opinions.
Posted By: John Lease

Re: Covid in the house - 19/03/2021 01:59

Originally Posted by pogo
My dad volunteered for the army twice. The first time he was honest about his profession. The second he tried to hide it.
He was a chemical engineer building oil refineries at the time. They laughed at the idea that he would serve the country better in the army and was refused.


My dad was a baker's assistant when he turned 18, so in he went.

He could type, so he got clerical duties in England when they shipped over. Also hot a marksman badge in basic training, so when D DAY happened he was an infantryman. After the first week casualties were so high at muster they asked for anyone who could drive to step forward. He told me he had learned to never volunteer but he did step forward and got to be a jeep driver for awhile, much healthier.

Once the breakout happened he was transferred to a railroad guard unit, still dangerous and he did get wounded twice by shelling, but healthier than infantry.
Glorifying Nazis is repugnant.
Posted By: martin

Re: Covid in the house - 19/03/2021 13:56

Originally Posted by mikezpen


. Years ago, I think I was liked by pretty much everyone here, but that is long gone.Lee, mlb, ET, DB...people I really liked and got along well with, probably wouldn't even speak to me now.Why? I've done nothing to them. It's because they don't like my views. Well, too bad! I don't like theirs-or yours- either. I think they are utterly destructive of this country. But that said, I'm just not going to hate you or them over political opinions.


It's sad that politics or political views have divided us over the years. What caused this? The people that you mention above knew your views and you knew theirs yet everybody got along.... My theory is that the liberal media and hollywood have taught them to hate others that they disagree with.The media has told them that we must be raaaaacist if we support voter ID laws, if we support securing the border.... if we vote for Trump or other republicans....

I'm disappointed in Lee that he hasn't come forward to comment. I believe and I might be wrong, that Lee uses the tactics that he used in court to define and label people. I don't believe that he believes some of the stuff that he posts here, he just used these tactics in court to sway a jury and can't help but use them here too....
Posted By: Lee

Re: Covid in the house - 20/03/2021 19:39

Lots of speculation about me here, including how I practiced law. Martin never saw me in court, but like many other things he knows nothing about, he thinks he's an expert I've been dealing with some serious health issues (not covid) and haven't posted anything here.

It's not that I hate martin or mikezpen. It's that I hate hatred, and especially since mikezpen retired, it seems like there's nothing to him other than a swirling mass of hatreds of anybody who is significantly different from him. Martin has NEVER demonstrated that there's anything more to him other than hatreds and a stunning body of ignorance that he thinks constitutes knowledge.

The constant slurs about people with different sexual orientations really get to me. I had a cousin who was raised by my mother for about a year when her mother (my mom's sister) was suffering from cancer and various complications from it. This cousin had a long -term relationship with another woman. When her partner got a better job in California, they both moved there. And they moved from California to Texas when her partner got a better job THERE. And when my cousin had terminal cancer, her partner cared for her until her death. After my cousin's death, I visited with her father, who was in poor health himself. He belonged to a little fundamentalist church, and said some members had asked whether my cousin was a lesbian. He said he told them that she and her partner were just very good friends. I'd say that they were VERY good friends for one of them to twice move halfway across the country to be with the other one. As far as I'm concerned, anybody who condemns that relationship, or the many thousands of others like it, lacks even a shred of human decency or compassion. And I know other same sex couples whose relationships have lasted longer than my 45 year marriage.

And then there are the constant demonstrations of racism by both martin and mikezpen. I have no problem with conservatives who aren't also racists. Sometimes I even agree with them. I disagreed with him on most things, but I respected Roscoe Bartlett, the former Republican Congressman from western Maryland who was one of the most conservative members of the House. But he never exhibited a trace of racism, and he was willing to deal with issues on the basis of actual facts. So mikezpen, I considered us friends when you were just as conservative as you are now. But since you began to constantly spew racist nonsense, it's impossible to find much good to say about you.

And that's the last thing I have to say here.
Posted By: carolina

Re: Covid in the house - 20/03/2021 20:23

I wish you a return to good health Lee.
Posted By: martin

Re: Covid in the house - 20/03/2021 23:30

Yeah I hope you get better soon too Lee.....Disagree with pretty much everything that you posted but atleast you responded....
Posted By: John Lease

Re: Covid in the house - 21/03/2021 01:12

Originally Posted by carolina
I wish you a return to good health Lee.


Me too. Get better soon.
Posted By: BaseBawl

Re: Covid in the house - 09/04/2021 10:48

A new study indicates that 1 in 3 covid survivors suffer from mental health complications. It would probably be helpful to be acquainted with the helper services should that occur.
Posted By: mikezpen

Re: Covid in the house - 09/04/2021 15:30

Just saw your note Lee.Sorry to see you have health problems.Me too. Hope you overcome.them.I had a mild heart attack and am a few hojrs away from an operation that hopefully resolves problems.

Nobody is innocent in this country's racial problems. But your side thinks it can solve things by demonizing the white race, and discriminating against it in the name of equity. It also wants to achieve this glorious goal by telling black folks that they need not meet any responsibilities as citizens..Sorry, I oppose this whole idiotic philosophy! ..First, a couple of definitions from Oxford

racism-prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized.
or
he belief that different races possess distinct characteristics, abilities, or qualities, especially so as to distinguish them as inferior or superior to one another.


Everybody s/b allowed to pursue happiness, but not guaranteed to achieve it.

The legitimacy and success of our CURRENT American democracy should not be judged on whether everybody comes out equally on everything.

Demanding that everyone carry ID to vote isn't racist. Throwing out that requirement because we can't count on minorities to be competent enough to get one, IS.

2+2 continues to be 4.If you say it's 3, you're wrong.Period.
(But plenty say that insisting on the right answer is a Western construct and a white supremacist thing.Google "Math is racist" and check it out.if you don't believe me.)

Academic standards equally applied are not racist because white men developed them. Excusing blacks from those standards because of their "disparate impact" on blacks (who evidently can't meet them), IS.

I am not to blame for our country's racial problems, because of my race, and I refuse to take responsibility.Same applies for most other whites

All you will accomplish with this idiocy is more failures, more crime, lower achievement, and legions of new followers to white racist groups.
.
Posted By: martin

Re: Covid in the house - 09/04/2021 17:45

Originally Posted by BaseBawl
A new study indicates that 1 in 3 covid survivors suffer from mental health complications. It would probably be helpful to be acquainted with the helper services should that occur.


I was depressed for a while when I couldn't walk across the house. I've never been depressed......I am much better now, but nowhere near where I was before. I still have short term memory issues. Can't remember orders the next day if it's more than two...I have to write down things....

It seems that it depends on what I eat and how much that I sleep the night before as to how well that I feel the next day. i've lost 19 pounds but I had a huge meal last night with too much sugar and didn't sleep much last night and i'm not as well today as I have been,,,,
Posted By: martin

Re: Covid in the house - 09/04/2021 17:48

Originally Posted by mikezpen
Just saw your note Lee.Sorry to see you have health problems.Me too. Hope you overcome.them.I had a mild heart attack and am a few hojrs away from an operation that hopefully resolves problems.



Mike please let us know when you are able to after the operation.... I'll keep the prayers going....
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